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Offline Flooki

Accusations
«: June 25, 2012, 01:37:44 PM»
Okay before anyone attacks anyone keep in mind that the person making the accusation plays the grandmother of the character being accused of stealing their design. and that there are only 4 main colors to play with.

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Okay, so it all started when Orphic (Aspena) and I (Iceal) saw a journal made by Glaciel (Sarruki on Da) regarding her characters design being stolen. As I was reading though it I realized who the target was and promptly went to defend both my designs creator and myself since I play the pup. I even uploaded a comparison chart to show that though the designs share the same colors, the two are not the same nor do they share the same personality. This was recent, though the design was given to me a month ago when I was first asked to play the pup.

Aspena and her mate have black fur. Aspena has white on her chest and therefor most of her pups carried this trait. However her mate was pure black and she had been talking about having one pure black pup with the blue and purple markings like the other pups she'd created before. This is where Glaciel started to throw a shit fit because my character wasn't carrying Aspena's white belly and therefor she feels that it's stealing her design. Her colors are in the linage because of being Aspena's mother and Aspena has her colors. The only reason she's throwing a fit now is because of the base.

Here is the family line with some of Apsena and Maccon's pups, as well as Glaciel and Miatanae.



Starting at the top you can see the parents of Aspena. Aspena then mated with Maccon to produce the pups below them. Notice how I am the only pup with the black base. This was to match Maccon since all the others carried the white belly. Notice how all pups designs are similar, and while keeping with that Aspena placed a design on the black base. Iceal's back stripe is broken way to show a pure black space, and the purple from Aspena sits under the blue on the back.

Here are the two characters side by side



Yes they have similarities, but that is to be expected since Aspena's white chest was left out leaving us with only 3 colors to work with. Glaciel is my characters grandmother meaning she's part of the linage. Someone had already told her if she didn't want her colors passed down, then not to have pups, or get out of the linage. Aspena has had many pups before this litter, and most have carried the white belly. I was the only exception when she wanted one to look more like Maccon. I even carry his yellow eyes. Glaciel's been giving a lot of trouble about the other designs as well but this is the one she's attacking the most.

Glaciel's design is very simple, consisting only of a backstripe, four purple colored toes, a small ring around each eye (which Aspena carries too)  and two toned ears. When Aspena made Iceal's design for me, she put both Aspena  and Maccon in the background and designed based off the two, with some of the other pups in mind. She wasn't referencing Glaciel's design at all, even though Glaciel is the grandmother.

Now a month later Glaciel is making journals and stalking both my deviantart and Aspena's deviantart. I've had someone who was arguing with me add me to their watch, to which I blocked them and removed it to get them off of it.

In basic biology you learn about dominant and recessive genes. Even though Aspena doesn't carry the double back stripe it doesn't mean that it's not carried down between  generations. So even if it doesn't appear on her, it's still able to appear on a pup down the linage. Just like in humans. People can look more like their grandparents then their parents.

Personally I find this whole design thing to be stupid, because I love Iceal's design the way it is and I'm not about to change it because out of all the people who've seen it, 2 seem to think that they can go out and say that we've stolen Glaciel's design. I was told that Glaciel has also attacked people for having similar names to hers on Furcadia as well. Even though names are similar the designs are not. Iceal and Icella are both in the same dream frequently yet the two designs are so completely different that the name similarity doesn't matter at all. Just like Ive seen people with Christina and Cristina. Alternate spellings yes, same characters, no. You can't tell people not to use a name because it looks too much like yours. Especially when nothing resembles the other.


So now I'm asking you, please confirm that although the designs share the same color and black base that they are not duplicates of one another. I'm sick of hearing that Iceal's design is stolen by Glaciel and her mate Miatanae (who was all to eager to rush to Glaciel's defense when proof stared her in the face). I don't want anyone harassing Glaciel or Miatanae, but I do want feed back here on what to do and how to go about this. I already spoke to a guradian and they won't help because they can't do anything about designs. They said posting here would be a good idea.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 02:00:39 PM by Iceal »
Flower gleam and glow, let your power shine.
Make the clock reverse; bring back what once was mine
Heal what has been hurt, change the fate’s design.
Save what has been lost, bring back what once was mine, what once was mine

 
        

Offline gaga

Re: Accusations
«Reply #1: June 25, 2012, 01:57:43 PM»
This design 'theft' is really blatant. But theres only so much that people can do with 'realistic' ferals.

Honestly, if this issue is mostly revolving around dA. You're just going to have to report the journals that have been harassing you and block the parties involved if you'd like it to stop.

People here are going to have differentiating opinions and while some may say you're innocent. Others will say that you are not.

To me, the similarities are glaring and obviously problems will come of it.

And really, all you're looking for is support in telling you that your design isn't a ripoff in any way.

I'm not sure if this is even worthy of an art alert, as it sounds more like a personal matter you should speak civilly to the other person to sort out this nonsense.

Offline Flooki

Re: Accusations
«Reply #2: June 25, 2012, 02:02:59 PM»
I shall Gaga. I appreciate the help. The only reason I came here was because a guardian told me I might be able to get more help here then she was able to give me. They are similar yes but they're not copies of one another, and Glaciel is in Aspena's linage.
Flower gleam and glow, let your power shine.
Make the clock reverse; bring back what once was mine
Heal what has been hurt, change the fate’s design.
Save what has been lost, bring back what once was mine, what once was mine

Offline Baklava

Re: Accusations
«Reply #3: June 25, 2012, 02:50:20 PM»
To me, I see two different characters.  Both are black with sky blue/purple markings but then Iceal has the almost pale blue color going on.  And the only way the markings are close is the maybe the tail.  So yeah, I wouldn't sweat it personally since they are two very different on the markings beyond just sharing two similar colors.

I could sit here and red circle the differences between the two, but eh.

Better (Refs)
Glaciel - 1, 2, 3

Iceal - 1, 2
« Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 03:00:00 PM by Gingerbread Lady »

Comedic

Re: Accusations
«Reply #4: June 25, 2012, 09:18:29 PM»
If Glacial is her grandmother, than I'm not sure I understand the problem.

I'm just going to guess which genes are dominant and which are recessive here.

If Glacial genes are FF meaning black are the domiant and Miatane are Ff, meaning he has a white recessive gene. Then the outcome of their pups would be, FF, FF, Ff, Ff. Which means 50% of them will not have recessive white genes and the others will. Perhaps with white markings.

If Aspena obtained an Ff gene ( I'm just going by the pictures here) and her mate Maccon also held a domiant FF. It would be the same outcome. FF, FF, Ff and Ff. 50/50. Some of them would hold a lot more black and others would hold some white. So, Iceal holding majority black would be common.

If Aspena is Ff and Maccoon is also Ff, the outcome would be. FF, Ff,Ff and ff. One could be mostly black, the other black with white markings and one mostly white.

It seems you guys have been following the genetics pretty well. With all the black wolves, I'm surprised not more of them are black in color. If she doesn't want to follow genetics, I guess she should have said something about it. They could have had red pups with brown markings, if you don't care about the genes.

I don't see how it is copying, when geneticly it seems correct to have a pup mostly black.

( If i messed anyways name up, my apologies. Also, I'm not great with genetics. I'm just going from what I remember in highschool.)

Offline Tain

Re: Accusations
«Reply #5: June 25, 2012, 10:36:15 PM»
If Glacial is her grandmother, than I'm not sure I understand the problem.

I'm just going to guess which genes are dominant and which are recessive here.

If Glacial genes are FF meaning black are the domiant and Miatane are Ff, meaning he has a white recessive gene. Then the outcome of their pups would be, FF, FF, Ff, Ff. Which means 50% of them will not have recessive white genes and the others will. Perhaps with white markings.

If Aspena obtained an Ff gene ( I'm just going by the pictures here) and her mate Maccon also held a domiant FF. It would be the same outcome. FF, FF, Ff and Ff. 50/50. Some of them would hold a lot more black and others would hold some white. So, Iceal holding majority black would be common.

If Aspena is Ff and Maccoon is also Ff, the outcome would be. FF, Ff,Ff and ff. One could be mostly black, the other black with white markings and one mostly white.

It seems you guys have been following the genetics pretty well. With all the black wolves, I'm surprised not more of them are black in color. If she doesn't want to follow genetics, I guess she should have said something about it. They could have had red pups with brown markings, if you don't care about the genes.

I don't see how it is copying, when geneticly it seems correct to have a pup mostly black.

( If i messed anyways name up, my apologies. Also, I'm not great with genetics. I'm just going from what I remember in highschool.)
Hi Comedtic,
In how you're thinking of it, you are entirely right.
But there were a few problems with your genetics that was bothering me o u o, so I've got to throw this out there~

 If F dominant is black, and recessive is white, then Ff would still be black, it would have to be ff to be white, because a dominant allele is still present. It carries the gene for white, but the phenotype would still show up as black. Unless there was an incomplete dominance going on, then white could show up in a homozygous (Ff) gene.

 But, honestly. It's just a character. Don't think anything of it, theres nothing she can do because Icial isn't a complete rip off, they just have a similar color palette. I'm sure theres other characters that look 10x's closer than your character does.

 

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