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Author Topic: Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna  (Read 2046 times)

Offline Sera

Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna
«: April 05, 2017, 04:02:48 AM»
NOT entirely sure that this should be IN this section, but here we go.


I know this is a few months late, but due to the fact that I was mobile until currently, I figured people selling Designs/Characters should be aware of this woman.

http://i.imgur.com/3LT6XhW.jpg - Original

http://i.imgur.com/lnUHvlf.png - Her art

http://i.imgur.com/l0xG1Tg.png - Original

http://i.imgur.com/QSxltgf.jpg - Hers

http://i.imgur.com/hM0Ouyo.jpg - Original

http://i.imgur.com/oWeFXhY.png - Hers


Now, seeing as I've had a run-in with this woman before, ask I said I do have screenshots of her admittance of the art thief, only because she was FOR SALE on FAM, I only received messages of her wanting to buy her days AFTER I confronted her, then she lied about it.

http://i.imgur.com/fLHtAmd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ccWZpeu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/V87lmv8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/73YLHat.jpg


This is a basic forewarning for whoever has dealings with the woman, be very careful with her. Seeing as how I can not actually report her for stealing the design, now, but I can have others tread lightly around her especially when doing business with her.

NEW  - 04-14-2017
Seeing as how she tried to save face to change her profile name...


http://i.imgur.com/94McD3i.png - Moka is under anonymous, she didn't delete her.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 04:20:20 PM by Sera »

 
        

Offline Kanerva

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #1: April 05, 2017, 01:57:47 PM»
Right. So I've created this account just so I can reply to this thread because I'm sick of false assumptions and want to bring clarity to the situation and I think you guys deserve the truth. First of all I admit I was wrong in the past and should have waited for Sera's response to come back before using the design. I recently had Sepsis (blood poisoning) and the after effects of that, causes one to be delirious and to not think clearly. There was even a case lately of where a boy on a school trip of the age 16 threw himself off a 150ft cliff but that I survived Sepsis and gave birth is amazing! so the Sepsis Trust have said I'm trying to spread awareness now as I wouldn't like anything like this to happen to anyone else. Here is an article regarding when I suffered from Sepsis if you search for my name Heather on there. I guess I have to explain it as not many people are aware of the disease and what after effects it can cause. I have enclosed the post of my poem and a video I created on how Sepsis attacked me during pregnancy.

http://tinyurl.com/kuofp4p

http://m.nottinghampost.com/qmc-to-run-potentially-life-saving-sepsis-screening-pilot/story-30073812-detail/story.html

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Blood-poisoning/Pages/Introduction.aspx

I am currently taking meds to sort out the after effects that Sepsis caused and many of my friends are aware of. But what I'm trying to say is.. I wasn't in the right state of mind a couple of months ago and used the portrait before paying that's true but I spoke with Sera and this was resolved and there was peace between us both. I'm sure I won't be the only one taking meds I know a few artists who take them for their anxiety for instance and I have been really understanding and patient when commissioning art of my characters while understanding their mental illness. Moka was always going to be a red hair anyway there's no law against choosing red for a hair colour is there? And her height is 5"7 which is actually my height in real life and she is a mixture of Princess Jasmine and Ariel if one looks at the intricate details. She has her own outfits the red harem outfit that Jasmine wears near the end of the film, and a red pvc maid outfit that I own. Furthermore, her deity is a genie-cat which is completely different to Sera's Zephara. Like me she loves Kopparberg oh and strawberries which is her favourite treat and overall scent. I think the only thing that is similar is the under eye markings on our characters. But is that really a big deal? No. Anyone could have thought up that feature. Our characters are very different.

Moka also has tattoo's of Jasmine flowers adorning her waist and she has either black prime wings or butterfly wings as seen in her art. Also, Zephara has been warned on RPR to leave me alone by 2 moderators. Now I admitted my mistake because of my mind set at the time wasn't great but people heal and Moka was created in the inspiration of my self with the hair of Princess Jasmine and Ariel. I made her a leopard because I have a little son called Leonardo so Moka is the mother leopard to him and I am considering having an art piece done of the two soon. Zephara is an ocelot. Sera may screenshots of our chat of when we last spoke however the situation was solved months ago on RPR so they are irrelevant. It seems to me that she has become bored and wants to create drama once again which I will have non of and have reported her to the right people and I am receiving support regards that. I have two other characters on my RPR account Raynee I purchased for $350 on RPR and the design for Galaxie I purchased on FAM. I would appreciate if Sera or Nephthys on RPR would leave me alone as she's simply grasping at straws. I have a good reputation to uphold and don't want any of my friends to be burdened regarding unnecessary drama. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
~ Kanerva

Offline Marve

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #2: April 05, 2017, 04:12:44 PM»
I'm sorry to see how sick you are, but it still doesn't give you the right to steal art. Which if I'm reading rightly, you have openly admitted to.

You can't play the sob story, no matter how sad it might be, to try and take weight off of something you have purposefully done wrong when you have morality and you're aware it's not right.

That's just downright wrong. Being sick doesn't excuse you from wrongdoings as petty as art theft. And on more than one occasion as well, no matter what meds you where on, it's not a defence. Personally, I find it wrong that you'd even bring your sickness into a matter like this.

I believe, if I have read this all right, that you owe Sera an apology, return the rights of the design, probably cease using it ever again, and let this just blow over.
(And not do it again.)
« Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM by Marve »

Offline Sera

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #3: April 05, 2017, 04:18:13 PM»
I am leaving this post up as it shows the evidence of art theft and image doctoring, including covering artists' signatures. Stage 4 cancer, child theft, sepsis or naught does not excuse the bottom line, which is you stole art, you claimed it as your own, you then continue to use the design, altering it only by adding wings.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 04:22:43 PM by Sera »

Offline Kanerva

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #4: April 05, 2017, 06:22:48 PM»
It amazes me how some people fail to read o.o

I haven't stole her style or any art or admitted to doing so. When I created my character she was always going to be a leopard.  I added wings to my design and additional accessories like the gold crown and my cartouche with hieroglyphics. Her tattoos consist of jasmine flower tattoos down her side and right bust and a sun and moon tattoo on her wrist. Does Zephara have any one those? no. (honestly don't know why I'm here explaining myself -.-) Both characters are very much different and that was what I was trying to elaborate on and show people.

You cannot really rule out the fact that I have been poorly, and no it's not an excuse it is an actual event. Sepsis changes the state of mind.. but of course nobody would understand the illness unless they have had it themselves.

Sepsis is a rare infection that the body gets and instead of the body attacking the infection and curing it, it attacks body organs and body tissue instead causing one to go into septic shock which is a scary experience consisting of shivering and then burning up to a radical degree and skin going blue and mottled. And if you are lucky enough to survive it and just loose a few limbs in the process, then bacteria remains in the brain creating distoriation which can make you believe all different kinds of things. What is child theft by the way? o.o

I do appreciate your concern Marve. But I'm not looking for sympathy, I'm looking to spread awareness and explain what Sepsis causes and obviously the situation here.

I'm just thankful that Leo was born healthy and didn't get the infection. I have apologised to Sera when I was first going through the after symptoms when I used the portrait but then everything was resolved and we both moved on with our lives. The only similarity I kept was the eye markings and that is barely a crime. But if it bothers her for some reason I am willing to change the markings under her eyes. But that is it as I have invested a lot of money in my character and her artwork. I am trying to solve this with you Sera. I did not want to block you or report you, and have done this lightly as I believe you have just received warnings. But you need to understand that the issue we had was in the past and since then I have created my own character and our designs are very different as you can see.

~ Kanerva

Offline Sera

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #5: April 05, 2017, 06:29:48 PM»
None of the above nullifies the fact that you stole the art. My warning remains.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 06:33:56 PM by Sera »

Offline Kanerva

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #6: April 05, 2017, 06:37:17 PM»
But I didn't? o.o
Hmm.

Offline Kanerva

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #7: April 06, 2017, 08:50:52 AM»
I used a portrait on RPR which I was asked to remove and so I did. That's as far as that went months ago as I was going through the Sepsis after symptoms and not thinking clearly. I apologised to Sera and our argument was settled. Then I created my own character based on my own thoughts and imagination that anyone can see. Therefore her warning holds no sense or validity. People like this just like to create unnecessary drama because of their boredom threshold. So I will continue to ignore her as I have been advised by many. Point and case closed.

Offline Sera

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #8: April 06, 2017, 09:27:29 AM»
All the people who look through the screenshots can figure who holds validity in this matter. Fact still remains, this warning stands.

Offline Sapphirus

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #9: April 06, 2017, 12:21:37 PM»
FurN has like the highest majority of character thieves and players linking pics they got no permission to use for a quickie or other things. Characters you use has to be 100% created by you, not everything is 100% original but editing another artist's pic isn't creating your own character, it's theft and laziness. Commission someone to make your character, if not, just deal with a desc til so or if you find an artist who draws freebies. Occasionally you can ask an artist if you can use their character as your own for RPs and such if you're interested in using one, I seen a few on FA who offers that, letting ppl use characters of theres  aslong as you give credit to them/link back to the artist. Sadly though, the drama of ppl stealing characters is increasing and artists in FA, DA etc are pissed about ppl using their art on F-lists, yiffing, RPs and on e621 and even in some cases, the ppl commission another artist to draw the character they have no permission to use, causing a potential mess. So they're being stricter with that "Credit/link back" freedom lately.

Also Simple crediting is lazy. Photoshopping/editing artwork that belongs to someone is like one of the biggest slaps to the face ever. There's no excuse to art theft, EVER.

Only thing that this usually doesn't apply to is Official characters, off animes, movies etc. Fandom Enjoyment and such. Though some general famous digital/traditional artists don't notice their art is being used by others til it becomes a huge deal.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2017, 12:26:09 PM by Sapphirus »

Offline Zim

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #10: April 06, 2017, 02:13:06 PM»
If you have nothing relevant to add, please don't.

On that note, Moka isn't even supposed to be on the website anymore (here OR FAM) because of multiple accounts. You do not get to make a new account because you feel like it, Moka. This is, I believe, your 17th or 18th in total.

I am posting this publicly to get it through to you and to make everyone else aware that this is something she does. She attempted to pull the sob story with us too (complete with an attempt at a heart-wrenching poem, no less), and continues to make new accounts even after being spoken to directly, so 'SEPSIS' IS NOT AN EXCUSE SINCE SHE CONTINUES TO PULL THE SAME SHIT. If it was sepsis, she'd have stopped once she was spoken to after she was 'better.'

I am keeping this thread open for now in case any new information crops up.

Also, in the future, even if you're the one being accused, conduct yourself properly or you'll be removed from the site. Personal attacks are NOT allowed on either side.

(I am leaving the comments for context - the warning will serve for now. Heed it.)

Offline Jet

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #11: April 14, 2017, 01:09:41 AM»
So, this totally isn't art related, and maybe it doesn't matter as much to you folks as it did to me, but Moka just isn't guilty of stealing art. She's also been ripping off other people's RPRs.

https://gyazo.com/df188fca3d93aec24b70771eb16f07fd This is from my RPR page, I coded the columns myself.

https://gyazo.com/0b74b1777f833eacaaf2f9ef532257c9 I find this on her RPR a few days later.

https://gyazo.com/88766fda460fc694d05d93961fde803c This is a little lesser, and I might be grabbing at straws.

https://gyazo.com/88e3ec84cad66607a19c6ee8175d6706 but hers is the same

https://gyazo.com/ea39ed0d73c0be6f9c24a46f2e97ec60
https://gyazo.com/6282538ae94745ed01f7ae4a809ab562
This has been the title of my character since I created him. He's not a 'dreamy prince' he's a literal 'Prince of Dreams'. I can only speculate that Moka liked the way the sounded and put it on her own RPR.

https://gyazo.com/4494ceb373624fcaaaa777422da147a7 Her character isn't even a princess, it's a 'genie', 'modeled after Ariel and Jasmine from Disney'

On a whole other note, Moka has started using Sera's design to buy her own art. I can only guess that her thought process is "if I've spent money on it, it makes it mine."

http://zorkia.deviantart.com/art/Moka-Furcadia-Port-671183474 This is the port she's using on furc RIGHT now. (It even looks like she stole my characters crown. I don't own gold crowns with rubies, but I can damn sure say there's not a lot people besides myself that hang around her on furc with gold crowns that have rubies)

I know she's paid for a fullbody through Zorkia. (I've already taken the liberty to warn Zorkia not to finish the fullbody because the design is stolen.) I know she's paid for a fullbody through Axi on furc ((but I'll be making my own artist warning about her soon)).

So if any of this information is relevant, do with it what you will.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 01:20:59 AM by Jet »

Offline Kirasha

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #12: April 14, 2017, 09:41:32 AM»
So, this totally isn't art related, and maybe it doesn't matter as much to you folks as it did to me, but Moka just isn't guilty of stealing art. She's also been ripping off other people's RPRs.

https://gyazo.com/df188fca3d93aec24b70771eb16f07fd This is from my RPR page, I coded the columns myself.

The irony here hurts, because I did your RPR, Jet

Offline Jet

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #13: April 14, 2017, 11:09:01 AM»

The irony here hurts, because I did your RPR, Jet

Yeah I know you did, everyone on furc knows you did, but I thought it sounded better than 'paid a random person to do my RPR'. :P Point still stands though.

Also learned that she has a piece by Untruthful with Sera's design. The rabbit hole goes deeper. https://gyazo.com/16ada55e3906879ab17c93f0ebfe21be
« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 11:18:02 AM by Jet »

Offline Sera

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #14: April 14, 2017, 11:10:30 AM»
Adding insult to Injury: Now her quick references to the artists that she has commissioned for pieces still hold the stolen art pieces of my character, indicating she has been ripping off my character.

http://imgur.com/a/dW9te - Gallery References for Moka, she has given an artist. Which the artist was kind enough to show me.

Offline Strawberry

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #15: April 14, 2017, 11:36:56 AM»
It is not okay to ban someone's account when they are trying to defend themselves. <removed> Which is quite heart-breaking when I have been nothing but nice to him and even attempted to get his money back from Axi and for some others. I'm not saying that Axi isn't wrong with how she's lead people on regarding artwork and makes little progress.

However I do have a heart and understanding regarding mental illness, those that are blind to this is because it hasn't happened to them yet. I'm on tablets for what happened to me which was the Sepsis and then postpartum psychosis and postpartum depression but are you not surprised? I had a bad infection that nearly killed me and my little boy and then my anxiety hit the roof thanks to my ex.

So I have this to say... Sera you are wrong in all aspects and are digging up old bones of something that was resolved in the past. I bet if you search Furcadia you would find many similarities in furries art. So please drop this topic and let's get on with our lives as I don't need additional stress. And Jet.. I haven't stolen your crown idea at all. The crown Moka wears was within reference from Princess Jasmine near the end of the film she wears that gold crown. The rubies were also my idea.

Moka also wears my gold cartouche I got from Egypt that says my name "Heather" her design is very different. With regards Zorkia I received a message from her this morning and was informed of an update on here. Zorkia is a lovely person and artist and we have negotiated something otherwise just to keep the peace. But I am not closing Moka down as I have spent a lot on her artwork and she is my design and will not be beaten from a little misunderstanding that was resolved in the past. I know who my friends are, and they are sticking by me and that is all that matters. For future reference If somebody has a problem with me for whatever reason then please message me.. don't go behind my back and natter about me that is immature and unfair. I am a person and I do have feelings.. I will pay you the same amount of respect as I should hope you'd to pay me. Thank you. n.n
« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 10:20:18 PM by Zim »

Offline Zim

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #16: April 14, 2017, 12:05:41 PM»
It is not okay to ban someone's account when they are trying to defend themselves.

Are you seriously telling a moderator how to do their job? Classy.

You weren't banned for defending yourself, you were BANNED FOR BAN-DODGING. As I mentioned, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT ON THIS WEBSITE, PERIOD, even before this went down. If you can't understand that I was enforcing the rules, then that's your problem, not mine.

"Mental illness" isn't an excuse. You are adult enough to understand NO MEANS NO. You are adult enough to understand that USING ART THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU IS WRONG.

Stop hiding behind your sob stories and take responsibility for once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM&feature=youtu.be

By the way, you're still permanently banned.

OH, and in case anyone gets any ideas: Posting for a banned member is against the rules and will result in your account being banned, as it counts in aiding them in circumventing the ban.


Also, on a more directly related note, the proof is in the pudding here. There is a lot of overwhelming evidence of both hard and soft rips from people, and I appreciate all the evidence compiled. While I can't enforce anything on RPR here, is it possible to contact them about the thefts? I don't actually use RPR much, so I don't really know how they handle things.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 03:27:42 PM by Zim »

Offline Sera

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva
«Reply #17: April 14, 2017, 12:39:08 PM»
" don't go behind my back and natter about me that is immature and unfair."


I didn't go behind anyones back, I pretty much put it right up here, and to be fair. Other people posted this link to Zorkia. Can't deal with it, you shouldn't be having my char's stolen art in your gallery. SADFACE (Only because we know another account is going to pop out of the blue.)


I never claimed it as a misunderstanding. You think you're allowed to trapeze around using stolen art, that you basically think you have claim to, in your gallery for references, negative. It's still my art, I still purchased it to be used on my character. Therefore you are ripping off my design, and yes every artist should know exactly "What" you did.

Talking about good Rep, from what I gathered, you never really had one.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 12:50:00 PM by Sera »

Offline Falicie

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna
«Reply #18: April 17, 2017, 05:17:15 PM»
Zim, I wasn't telling you how to do your job I just felt a bit upset when I was trying to explain and defend myself earlier and wondered why you had banned my account. You are a good moderator and I'm pretty sure that people look up to you. (I promise this is the last time I ban dodge)

Sera it doesn't matter who's wrong or right but I want to make things right so how do we do this? :)

~Moka

Offline Falicie

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna
«Reply #19: April 17, 2017, 05:22:44 PM»
Oh, and mods if you could please keep this account open, just why me and Sera sort things out thank you. ^.^

Offline Zim

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna
«Reply #20: April 17, 2017, 06:53:39 PM»
No, your account will NOT be kept open because YOU WERE TOLD YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE, REPEATEDLY. On here OR FAM, where we keep banning you because you don't seem to understand how to take "no" for an answer.

Stop. Making. Accounts.

Sucking up does not fix things. You can work things out with Sera, but not here or on FAM, since you are BANNED PERMANENTLY from BOTH sites.

This makes 20 total accounts, I believe.

I have seriously never met a user who struggles so hard with the concept of "no."

I also have to apologize to our lovely, patient members for these public callouts. This user has been an absolute thorn in our side for a few months now, and obviously doesn't understand that no means no, so we've had to take more... extreme measures, since she isn't grasping the concept of "banned" after we spoke to her directly. This isn't something we normally do, but when a user is up to 20 accounts and still making more... well, you get the picture.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 08:08:10 PM by Zim »

Offline Marve

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna
«Reply #21: April 21, 2017, 01:22:45 PM»
I have confirmation that Zorika was warned the design was stolen, but I can understand the artists position to finish what had been paid for. I don't think the Artist/Zorika is at fault.

This was however posted today, it seems she is STILL collecting art.

http://zorkia.deviantart.com/art/Zephara-Chibben-676217079?src=MC_deviation_stack

Offline Zim

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna
«Reply #22: April 21, 2017, 03:25:11 PM»
I have confirmation that Zorika was warned the design was stolen, but I can understand the artists position to finish what had been paid for. I don't think the Artist/Zorika is at fault.

This was however posted today, it seems she is STILL collecting art.

http://zorkia.deviantart.com/art/Zephara-Chibben-676217079?src=MC_deviation_stack

The title says it's for Zephara, not Moka.

On this note, I was informed by a user that she is hiding on a new RPR with a new alt (Gucci). IIRC that design did come with the name (there was a big fiasco with it a while back), but since she is 100% confirmed to have stolen art, I want users to be aware.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 03:33:34 PM by Zim »

Offline Sera

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna
«Reply #23: April 21, 2017, 04:16:02 PM»
Yeah Zorkia got commissioned by me for that Chibbean, so it's okay.

Thanks though, for the watchout, Marve. :3

Offline Marve

Re: Warning: Moka/Kanerva/Calluna
«Reply #24: April 21, 2017, 04:25:18 PM»
Yeah Zorkia got commissioned by me for that Chibbean, so it's okay.

Thanks though, for the watchout, Marve. :3

Thank goodness for that :P Glad it's yours! Sorry for getting mixed up.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 04:28:15 PM by Marve »