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Offline Sync

critique vs artist
«: January 17, 2008, 02:57:12 PM»
sorry if this doesn't qualify for a discussion, please move it to freeforall if so.

h'ok, onto the topic.

do you need to be a good artist to be allowed to critique, or will you be a hypocrite for critiquing and not being a great artist?

i'm pretty sure we've all seen the:
"You're one to be talking, you don't even have your OWN anatomy correct."
"I shouldn't be talking though, because I'm not that great..."
"Why don't you improve your own art before critiquing others?"
etcetc
disclaimer: these were made off the top of my head and not made to target anyone. don't think i'm taunting you, thanks.

so, do you need to be great at art ti be able to critique without being hypocritical(there's also the definition of "good art" that's always ever changing so...)?

people seem to have a problem with it on the internet, but i haven't really heard of anyone getting angry at the judges on american idol/america's next top model/game informer/whatever else for this.

i personally think no, but what are your thoughts?




 
        

Offline Mredria

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #1: January 17, 2008, 03:14:32 PM»
I think that anyone can see what is wrong with a picture, making them valuable as critics, but an artist who is very knowledgable will be able to tell you how to fix it. Both are valuable people, one is just slightly MORE valuable.

However, the artist who is knowledgeable in technique may not be the 'best' artist, so they may have the same problems with the things you're having problems with (or did at one time).

Generally all the critiques you're going to get are going to be from people who can see what is wrong but don't know how to fix it and damnit, I'll take what I can get.
They're not being hypocritical. They probably know it's wrong because they do it wrong themselves.

I have a friend who did gymnastics. She was lousy at it. She made a GREAT resource in the class because she could tell you how to do EVERYTHING at LENGTH because she'd spent so much damn time trying to get it herself!
Perfect people make perfectly awful critics because they never struggled to learn something! Thank god there's so few of them.
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Sesruc

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #2: January 17, 2008, 04:36:34 PM»
I agree with Mredria.

She explains a good point there.

Even though someone isn't a perfect artist, doesn't mean they can't tell, for example, bad anatomy from good anatomy. It is usually human nature to notice whether something is in proportion or not. So no, no one is being a hypocrite in any matter whatsoever.

It is a matter really of how the artist interprets the critique, really. Some will totally flip out if you tell them something is off or whatever. And some, the artists that will actually get somewhere, take any and all critique into consideration.

Then you get to the point where someone posts a two word sentence ("It sucks," or variations of it), more often than not. And not explaining why it sucks is just.. rude if you ask me. So. Instead of being a bitch about rude comments, artists should learn to deal with it. There are always people that are going to like your art and people that don't and it's up to you to figure out what's wrong and strive to fix it.

Offline Mala

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #3: January 17, 2008, 07:41:56 PM»
No.

I myself am very challenged by anatomy, but I can spot things that are wrong in others, and my own. Even my own brother, who is seven, can spot places in drawings that I show him that are off slightly.

Of course, you're only hypocritical if you point out bad things in other's drawings, and never try to fix your own mistakes, even if you have the same as others.

Offline Zim

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #4: January 21, 2008, 01:17:08 PM»
I have to agree with everyone else on this.

Take my friend for example. He can't draw to save his life, but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand art. Not everyone is capable of actually carrying out the technical aspect of art to be able to tell the good from the godawful. Everyone has eyes and a brain to see other people's pieces, but not everyone's hand will cooperate with their head to actually make their own. (Especially my friend mentioned earlier; he can read fine, but writing is difficult for him and is usually almost illegible.)

... hence the reason I laugh at artists who say, "omg you have no room to talk your art sucks."

If critique given is good, then there really shouldn't be an issue whether the person offering it has "talent" or not.

Offline SLASHERS.

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #5: January 22, 2008, 09:29:18 PM»
i think if someone is going to give constructive critique, then no, you dont have to be "so good" to be able to give your opinion.

however, if you're going to go to someone who is looking for critique, and you say something like "this is the worst drawing ive ever seen you fail at life and art ahahahhhahahaahahhaah" ect. then i think you'd better be damn sure your art is not going to get the same response. lol

Offline Goldrush

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #6: April 30, 2008, 08:14:09 AM»
Everyone’s entitled to their input, if you spot a flaw, anyone of any artistic ability should be able to pipe up. As long as it's constructive, and not destructive. P:
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Offline Hugo

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #7: April 30, 2008, 08:54:35 AM»
As others have said, anyone with eyes is able to critique a piece of art. No one should make destructive comments, but especially not people with crappy art themselves.

So as long as it's helpful, you have every right to be heard. If you're being an ass? Expect to be flamed.

Offline Jenni

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #8: May 01, 2008, 01:14:40 AM»
hahaha i do admit to feeling a bit shitty if an artist i considered lower than i critiques me. i can spot all that's wrong in their art but they can see what's wrong in mine, and if they can do that you wonder why can't they see their own mistakes. but i guess everyone is blind to their own flaws and have to have another, doesn't matter who it is, to spot them out.

Offline Tate

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #9: May 01, 2008, 02:43:19 AM»
Without asking for it, there are only two people who can crit my art without me feeling a bit...bugged. but if I ask for it, then, sure, critique away..

I am tired and thus can not think of anything further to contribute. 8D

Sookan

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #10: May 01, 2008, 02:49:39 AM»
do you need to be a film critic to know that a film is utter shite?
no

the same ought to go for art.

however, when i first started out drawing, my expectations as to what is an "amazing" piece of art were considerably lower. nowadays i struggle to find artists with work that makes me wanna rip their gallery right out of the screen. but they do exist!

i have had some SHITTY critique from non-artists, though.
i was drawing an avatar and had a reference picture right next to it, and was showing poses to my friends when some other person who i vaguely knew started laying into it. they pretty much said every feature of it's body was wrong in some way, even though i'd explicitly made it to be a replica of the reference pic.
now im not the best but im not THAT bad. amusingly the one thing they didnt comment on was the fact that it wasn't fully isometric, which is the critique i usually get from better artists.

i am a little dyslexic, so i can see where i fuck up and where my style's flaws are, but i can't hold the pen completely steady and make lines go where i want.. hence why my sketches look so rough. not that that's any excuse lol
« Last Edit: May 01, 2008, 06:36:12 PM by Sookan »

Offline Hugo

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #11: May 01, 2008, 12:07:30 PM»
This is somewhat off topic but still pretty helpful.

When I'm drawing something I sometimes flip it over (make it face the other way). This makes all of my flaws clear as day to me and has worked for many port artists who I've suggested it to. Same goes for CG and any other artistic thingamajigs. Even sculpture.

Offline La-la

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #12: May 01, 2008, 02:55:50 PM»
do you need to be a film critic to know that a film is utter shite?
no

the same ought to go for art.


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Offline Pumpkin

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #13: May 03, 2008, 05:14:51 PM»
Exactly why I don't critique.

You don't really have to be a great artist to critique, as some people may not be artists, but they know what they're looking at. Some people may just know anatomy very well, even if they're not artists. Some know color lay well, yet are not artists or even great ones at that. I just depends on the person.
Sure I said things already said but yeah..
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Offline Tonks

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #14: May 03, 2008, 05:31:11 PM»
I agree with everything Zim said. I personally have the problem that I know what's wrong with my art, and I know it's horrible, I know what could make it look better, but my hand doesn't cooperate with my mind enough to put it on paper.

Another way to look at it is when you think of commissions. Not everybody that commissions people can draw well, but they know if art is horrible or amazing. There isn't a reason that it should be an issue if someone can draw or not, I think it's irrelevant if you're asking for critique.

Offline Artspace

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #15: May 14, 2008, 12:23:37 PM»
When you look at a picture or a piece of art, you're automatically judging it anyway.  And depending on the execution and skill level, you will either accept or reject it.  Everyone does this, so it isn't about whether someone is talented enough or not to give a critique.

Artists should really keep in mind that they should not only seek out the opinion of other artists, but also consumers.  Consumers are important, and it's dangerous to overlook them.  They may not be able to patch like you can, but they're going to be the ones you target for sales.  And even if not all of them buy something from you, they'll still judge you based on how you accept criticism, thus affecting your reputation.

Lockstep

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #16: May 30, 2008, 08:54:29 PM»
i think people should take their negative thoughts and shove it (: no one is forcing you to look at anyones art, if you dont like it, dont open youre angry little piggy mouth and go look at things that please youre elitist taste. unless..it is absolutely necessary because the shit is ridiculous. i mean pokemon anthro porn, terribly drawn or possibly repeative anime-style brought to you by creepy souless white people. art is art. art isnt what looks good to you. but i think suggestions are always friendly (:


Offline Sedde

Re: critique vs artist
«Reply #17: June 05, 2008, 03:02:56 PM»
I'm one to always try to find better ways to do things. Improvement is good. Change is good. If people aren't willing to even consider doing that, I can't relate to them one bit.

I agree with the thing people were saying before, where people that are talented artists probably just offer better advice or critique than those that aren't. Both are valuable in learning how to get better.

 

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