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Offline P-AK

WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«: May 02, 2009, 12:21:06 AM»
Thunder, Enchant, Horror, whatever her name is NOW.. I met her a couple months back and became friendly with her because it seemed she was a victim of being stalked by her ex-mate/friend/whatever the hell and needed some much love. It was only after I did her the Owl port that I found out her true nature. Her "ex" warned me about her, but I didn't listen.. So, here we go. I asked her what kind of owl she wanted and was told "long eared owl".. So, I looked up the type of owl and drew it. By the time it was outlined, she wasn't responding to msn or whispers. (Yes, I know. Normally I show the lineart before continuing but since she and I were what I thought to be close friend I didn't think it'd matter.)

Figuring, since that's all the details she gave me on the port and it'd be fine if we shaded it.. Akarui & I continued on and finished the port. I posted the port on DA, linked it to her and sometime while I was asleep; she contacted Akarui and complained that it was not what she wanted. Akarui fixed the lines and made it into a great horned owl thing, redid the markings to what she asked. Akarui herself was told "I like it!" and so when I logged on and Akarui told me.. I put the updated version up. However, when Thunder logged onto msn and I jokingly "-held out hands-" it appeared to be that she was not happy with the port, but was going to take it anyways.

Without telling me why or what was wrong with it, she bought the scales and next thing I know I've got $5 on my character. Then she finally told me what she thought. She didn't like it at all, it wasn't anything that she wanted and she continued to complain about me not showing her the lineart when I tried to contact her but she was not responding(Also, her afk message was not up for at least an hour or more after I had tried to contact her). Okay, so I tried to talk to her about it and make her a new owl port to what she wanted.. She denied and then went on talking about how Akarui owes her a portrait and it's taken her so long to even do it and yadda ya.. Something that was not irrelevant to our current conversation.

In the end, she denied a new portrait and said she would not use the portrait at all. So, in the end I got paid for giving her a port that's going to rot away and never be seen. Understandably, I got upset that she refused to use the quite decent portrait that I drew and Akarui shaded. As her friend, I didn't understand why she would be so rude to tell me that it wasn't good enough to load for a simple realistic feral owl character. I told her my feelings and placed her on block since she wouldn't stop talking to me. I had planned to unblock her the next day.. however, things occurred while I was out of the house.

Had I known that any of this would have happened, I wouldn't have gone to help my grandmother with her garden.. --;

My computer was on, my characters were logged on, but I was not on any messangers. I left to help out my grandmother and after hours of gardening, I tried to log onto MSN using my phone. It was denied because the password was changed.. I thought this was a glitch, so I just shrugged it off as my phone glitching and got on AIM to talk to Akarui. Sent her a picture of a little chickadee that was hopping around and whatnot.. Well, upon returning home and trying to log onto msn.. it said my password was changed. Kinda weird, huh? Well, I did a password reset.. changed my password and logged on my old msn. This is where I am met by a Password Reset - Aisumi email. Opening it, it has a password change request for my main character. Well, Aisumi was not DCed while I was gone so I'm guessing since all my alts have random passwords that whomever it was couldn't yank her from me. Luckily, I only had minor alts set to my new msn's email. Nothing too big, ya know?

After changing my msn's password, I went and tracked the IP that requested a password change for my character. It's in Kansas.. Hm, who lives in Kansas? I asked Akarui and we thought maybe Thunder's HACKER of an ex-whatever could have done it.. We "thought", okay? No blame set. So, I contacted the guardians via Aisumi and started a convo with them. While I was talking to the guardians, Aka asked Thund if her ex lived in Kansas.. She said no, and when it came time to email the guardians, I logged back into my msn.

Logging on my new msn, I was met by "Oh, you're logged on in two locations. This is you and this is Shay-PC". I immediately logged off the impostor and noticed that Thunder logged on shortly after. I thought it was kinda weird, but I didn't suspect her at the time. However, when I asked Akarui if she knew anyone named Shay. She said that Thunder was named Shay. Orly now? So, I look back to msn and Thunder is offline and my msn is flickering from appear offline to online like someone is trying to log on my account again. So, I change the password again. She doesn't log on for a while after that.. Well, since I have a suspect now..

I whispered Thunder within moments of Akarui talking to her and asked if she lived in Kansas.(during this time Aka's net died) She ignored me for about 5-10 minutes and then answered with a.. "WHAT DO YOU WANT NOW? DO I OWE YOU MORE FOR THAT PORT??" My answer being 'uhhh.. I'm asking about where you live, not about the port..' Well, the conversation gets heated again and she continues to complain about me not showing her the lineart and I just responded with 'I said I'd make you a new one, but you denied.' Blah, blah. It's a bunch of back and forth arguments again.. I turn my whispers off.

I suddenly see the dream bot log on, so I'm like "oh, Aka is back!" ... I'm banished from the dream. That's when I know that it was Thunder on the bot. She's got access to the bot and website because she helped with rules and programming.. Well, Aka got back on an hour after it occurred and unbanned me, changed her passwords that Thunder might have.. Which I thought she changed the password to Mungu's site, but that's near the end of the story. Well, I ignored Thunder and what was going on and hours later I logged off and went to play DOMO with Akarui. You know, get away from furc? n-n

I logged on today to make sure that Aisumi was still mine and working. She is, so I'm happy and all. I'm sitting in the dream with a friend, kinda idle-chatting with 'em.. Went to look at my website and it's gone. Went poof. Well, I changed the password last night after I suspected it was Thunder, but I didn't think of looking at it until Akarui mentioned on DOMO last night. So, going to look at it today and it's erased. Log in, it's all gone. Everything is gone. An hour passed and all of a sudden I see, "Thunder: well my job is done here. :-) have a look around and whatnot." (Direct quote from furc logs) She then began to spam, so she was ejected where I was then whispered by her and her ex.. Placed her on silent rule and her ex logged off after having a pleasant conversation with me, ending with me saying that I should have listened to him.

Clicking those links, you kinda are met by nothing. (Links had to be removed due to the fact she made them redirect to porn sites.) She erased all the rules, announcements, etc. from the forum.. then erased the website. How did she get that password when I thought Akarui changed it? I don't know.. We'll find out later, but isn't it kinda weird how I don't say a word to her today and she flips out? How I asked if she lived in Kansas and she flips out.. She built me a layout in payment for another port that she's not using at all, so that's why she had the password to my site. And that password was the same as the password to my new msn. However, not being an idiot I've decided to put different, random passwords for both web and messenger account and I'll know to never allow anyone to build me a site and when they're done keep the password the same.


Edit:: We returned her $5 via gifting(Aka took a screenshot of it), letting her know that her use of the portrait was revoked since she said after paying me that she'd not load it. She whispered Akarui with a "Good job on stealing my alt, Aka" and a "I'm still going to load the portrait cause it's my character." Akarui placed her on ignore shortly after so I'm not sure what else was said. Due to the fact she took the refund and refused to be mature about the situation, I made the owlen port free for fall(which she cannot copyright because it has no specific characteristics, it's just an owl.) However, I notified her that the portrait was now a freebie; but if she replied I honestly don't know because I had her on ignore after the dream incident earlier that day.

Freebie Owlen Port



I recommend to artists and non-artists that you do not work with this person and NEVER share any personal information or passwords or alts with her. She's clearly ruined my hard work on my character and Akarui's hard work on her dream: Mungu, as well as insulted us both by her actions.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 02:40:20 PM by P-AK »


 
        

Offline Ean

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #1: May 02, 2009, 12:26:36 AM»
For the record. She gave me the alt Forest when she didn't have to give me that alt. I even have proof that she gave me that alt too.

But since the transaction was in whispers, I'm not really allowed to post them. So I'm just going to simplify it.

One day, on 2/26/2009 at 8:35:20 PM (Good thing I keep logs huh? :P).
We were talking and start talking about some random ideas and out of no where, she says "Do you want a tygard?" I ask if she wanted anything for it and she replies with a "Nah, it'd be free." Deal so that was when I got that tygard from her. It wasn't a lifer or anything and only had less then a year on it. I can get those dates too: Extra: Ferian Tygard, expires on 2009-12-19/16:54:01/Sat She surprised me with it when she gifted it to my alt, Mungu.

That same night, she gave me the Forest alt. She said she didn't use them much anyway and when she tried to sell it, she only got offers. Though the ones that offered never got back to her, from what she told me. She gave me a list to chose from the few alts she supposedly had at the time, which was Beyond, Bind, Forest, Seclude. She told me that Bind she didn't want to be resold or anything and that I was able to chose one of the others. So that was when I chose Forest.

She honestly didn't have to give me the Forest alt, but she offered anyways and gave him to me anyways. I have whispers logs of this as proof. Because I was using Mreow Proxy at the time (it separated the whispers from the Furc window), it would of been pointless to show. So, thats what I have to say about her saying that I 'stole' the alt Forest when she GAVE me him for free.

There. Now to... eh. Dunno. Hm.

Offline Ean

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #2: May 02, 2009, 12:28:33 AM»
Also, before you all get your panties in a bunch (Such a funny saying, sorry), we weren't to sure where to put this because:

It deals with both an art alert and a theft alert all in one. It started out as an art alert so it was decided to be posted here. I just added my little tid bit so people don't get confused and whatnot. Heh.

Offline Zim

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #3: May 02, 2009, 03:22:35 AM»
Have you emailed the guardians about the alt half?

Offline Ean

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #4: May 02, 2009, 04:37:06 AM»
Have you emailed the guardians about the alt half?

I don't see what I'd email them about though unless more drama arises with this. I still have logs as proof that she gave me the alt without having to be given back, etc.

Sorry, it's early and I haven't slept yet, lol. So my brain is kinda dead at the moment.

Offline Hugo

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #5: May 02, 2009, 09:26:19 AM»
This kid ought to be banned. Please keep this thread as updated as possible.

Offline binkari

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #6: May 02, 2009, 01:02:54 PM»
Viktorria had problems with Horror a while back as well. Apparently things haven't really changed.

Offline P-AK

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #7: May 02, 2009, 02:17:57 PM»
I emailed the guardians regarding the person who hacked my msn trying to steal my character Aisumi.. I've yet to get a reply though.

Note* This is the Poise of P-AK; Aka is using her Kitten account.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 02:47:41 PM by P-AK »


Offline Ean

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #8: May 02, 2009, 04:53:40 PM»
This kid ought to be banned. Please keep this thread as updated as possible.

Well. Long time ago, when I was still staff at WMH, I heard from a few people that Horror was banned form Furc at one point. Thing is, I don't like/trust those few people that I heard that from so...

Viktorria had problems with Horror a while back as well. Apparently things haven't really changed.

I read that too. I guess it's starting to be a trend, just a small one. That thread has a lot of bs about the one who posted that thread and not what the thread was originally about though. :/ The only thing we know is that she has done something like this before and who knows how many times before that, not many report people these days. It's more of a grudge then anything..

I emailed the guardians regarding the person who hacked my msn trying to steal my character Aisumi.. I've yet to get a reply though.

Note* This is the Poise of P-AK; Aka is using her Kitten account.

Hehe... If I was to post on the P-AK, things would of gotten confusing and confusing really fast. x3

Offline starcros

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #9: May 04, 2009, 12:54:08 PM»
I am posting this for Thunder/Horror. The only reason so isnt posting herself is she lost her pass and forgot which email she used to retrieve it. Below is her post.

(11:47:09)  #Sa: There a reason you've not been on thunder avoiding me?
(11:47:09) Enchant: Here, just doing other things.
(11:47:33) Enchant: ive been gone 2 days o.0. i was visiting my dad, haha
(11:48:26)  #Sa: http://www.furcartzone.com/index.php?topic=7172.0
(11:48:29) * Enchant click
(11:51:45) Enchant: oh god. thats just her side of the story. i never hacked her email, i was accused of stuff. i wasnt the only one. they accused 2/3 other people too, including a guy who stalked me for a while. i was told to ban that girl if she started anymore problems(because she starts problems all of the time with people in kittens dream). so, i ban her. she gets akarui on later, unbans her. i ignore the matter for a while. i notice my alt is gone. no, i didnt give that girl forest :(, i was to be brothers with my alt bind, i felt bad cause she was saying she didnt have an alt to be active on anymore. so i let her use it. i find out the password is changed, so ya i was a little mad. they accuse all these people, dont even know its me, so i reacted in defense. i even kept all the copies of the dream site encase she wanted to give my alt back. no, i didnt get on aisumi's site either.
(11:52:50) Enchant: so basically, theyre all frantically trying to find out who it is. even in whisper logs they still say they dont know who it is. so eh
(11:54:16)  #Sa: Well I think you better say something on the thread then, becuase right now it looks pretty bad.
(11:54:41) Enchant: honestly, i was going to on her site gernal, too. but they blocked my friends comment and i was revoked from it even
(11:54:47) Enchant: journal*
(11:56:01)  #Sa: Im not one to get involved in these kinds of things, two sides to every story but right now they are doing alot of work to make you look bad
(11:57:27) Enchant: and when i go do something on the weekend im all of a sudden gone off furcadia. i cant defend myself, they just keep coming up with new things to add. on her journal it says i can even program, but i cant. so... i'm a little stuck, all i can do is defend myself when peopel ask about it. and if they're out to make me look bad that is their problem. i know i did nothing wrong; other than retaliate when i noticed my alt was gone.
(11:58:11)  #Sa: So your banned from the FAZ forum becuase Im not seeing why you dont stick up for yourself if what your saying is true.
(11:58:44) Enchant: im not banned from the FAZ forum, but even if i do post my side people will bash me, right? i've never really gotten involved with threads o.0
(11:59:15)  #Sa: If you tell your side of it, it'll look a whole lot better then you saying nothing at all. Otherwise people will just believe its all true.
(12:02:28) Enchant: than i guess people will just have to believe it, or not believe it. i mean, i try to avoid conflict by any cost as it is... even if that means some of my own friends dislike me because of false accusations. if i do post, they will come back with a statement to argue, and i, like a lot of other people on furcadia, don't want to be involved with it. hopefully they just realize this and give my alt back :(. i mean, i didn't go around posting about them... *sigh*
(12:03:58)  #Sa: See I can't agree with you there. If what you say is true, then you should be able to back yourself up. This isn't about arguments or fights. If none of its true, and there is another story then people deserve to know the other half of the story. In my experince only people who think they can't back themeselves up, are the people who are lying about thier side of the story.
(12:04:27) Enchant: well you can always post these logs... or i can post them, if you give me permission to?
(12:05:25) Enchant: i have nothing to hide, then again i didn't know the thread existed until you mentioned it to me also
(12:05:35)  #Sa: Of course you have permission. And if you have any logs or evidence to prove your side of the story I'd say you should mention them, and get hold of them so if anyone wants proof you can give them the logs in private of whatever it is happened becuase you can't post them publicly if they dont gve you permission





You can also whisper me on Thunder, the alt I frequent, for logs concerning the port incident and what happened(I have MSN logs of it, which I can screenshot), and the permission logs to ban Aisumi from the dream if she started anymore problems from Akarui Kurai/Kitten since I do not have permission to post them publicly. My friend had posted this on her journal but she blocked it. I also have the logs of them saying they do not know who it is exactly, who did it, from a friend who whispered Aisumi in game. - I was accused and I retaliated when I realized my alt was gone. No, I was not on good terms with Aisumi after she blocked me because of a port I wouldn't upload(though I had mentioned I would put it on my site), and the screenshot of her refunding the money revoking my privileges to use the port.

Akarui had whispered me, asking if Wreckless lived in Kansas, I said no. And then proceeded to say I got my alts back from him. If I had permission to post these too I would, and then Aisumi whispering me(I don't go AFK until 45 minutes after I have actually been inactive, since that is when the Furc. proxy is set to put me away, not to mention how she summarized what happened isn't even how it happened). Nor does my MSN set me to away since I have it set to 0, plus my MSN PLUS plugin that is set to not put me away until I manually set it.

From the logs above, I am only posting this to back my side up, since people apparently think what all is said is true, and if I do not post it is true unless I respond. So, hopefully me sending my side of the story helps, if not, at least I tried..

That is the end of her post. Now below is mine.

Aisumi and Aka has a very strange love/hate relationship that Thunder got caught up in the middle of. Aka has told Thunder on more then one occasion that she had permission to ban her from the dream. Aisumi is a psychotic person that throws an absolute fit if she doesn't get her way or if anyone disagrees with her. She is constantly the source of trouble in mungu, and her obsession with Aka is a source of unhealthy jealousy.     
As for Aka, she is constantly complaining about Aisumi in whispers to Thunder (I have seen these with my own eyes) but when it comes time to confront her she goes silent (saying she just wants to avoid the drama).
I also know for a fact that Thunder was Sharing the alt Forest with Aka but the minute this all started happening Aka changed the pass.
I cant blame Thunder for taking down the Mungu sites she had worked hard on (and put up for free) after how she was treated.
I have known her a long time and while she is no angel she also isnt an hacker or a thief.
These people who have nothing but suspicion to go by are trying to ruin her reputation. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that Aisumi's msn was never hacked at all, Like I said she is psychotic and vindictive.
The reason Thunder "flipped out" was she was being accused of hacking her msn, trying to steal alts, digo's...ect. (after seeing the list im surpised she wasnt also blamed for world hunger).
This all happened because Thunder simply decided she didnt want to use Aisumi's art for her port (although she stated she was going to use it on her site) But she DID pay for it without hesitation. I have to ask this question, does an artist have to right to simply gift back money without permission and say you no longer can use art that you paid for any time they want?
Correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that once I buy a piece of art it is mine, to be used (or not used) and displayed as I see fit as long as I give credit to the artist and dont alter it.
Why would I bother devoting time and energy building a character or site around a piece of artwork if at anytime in the future the artist can decide that he/she doesnt want me using it anymore and can simply revoke my rights by gifting me back my money.
If I pay for some art and decide that I dont want to use it but save it for possible future use, isnt that my right?
I am totally in favor of protecting artist's rights but doesnt the purchaser also have rights?
I think Aisumi was wrong to try and revoke her rights after the fact, and now by offering the art for free on her site is in fact stealing from Thunder.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 03:20:49 PM by starcros »

Offline Tatiana

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #10: May 04, 2009, 02:16:17 PM»
I just want to throw something out there: don't go ahead and shade art without the person agreeing to the lineart first, because if they don't like it, you're screwed. I've had to deal with this a lot in the past from other artists e_e

Offline P-AK

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #11: May 04, 2009, 03:28:10 PM»
(11:51:45) Enchant: oh god. thats just her side of the story. i never hacked her email, i was accused of stuff. i wasnt the only one. they accused 2/3 other people too, including a guy who stalked me for a while. i was told to ban that girl if she started anymore problems(because she starts problems all of the time with people in kittens dream). so, i ban her. she gets akarui on later, unbans her. i ignore the matter for a while. i notice my alt is gone. no, i didnt give that girl forest :(, i was to be brothers with my alt bind, i felt bad cause she was saying she didnt have an alt to be active on anymore. so i let her use it. i find out the password is changed, so ya i was a little mad. they accuse all these people, dont even know its me, so i reacted in defense. i even kept all the copies of the dream site encase she wanted to give my alt back. no, i didnt get on aisumi's site either.

I never accused her of hacking my msn, in the thread it even says that I thought it may be her when I say "Shay" as the hacker's pc name. I asked her a simple question. "Do you live in Kansas?" She didn't reply, so I got a bit tiffed and asked 'why the hell she was ignoring me when she had just spoken to Aka short moments ago.' Around ten minutes later she replied with a 'WTF do you want!? Do I owe you more money for the port?!' Just yelling at me for the port. I reply '... o-O No..' More complaining. '...I was just asking where you lived.. o-O' ... She says this, 'I tell people I live in Kansas but I really live in New Zealand!' Well, that's done but she was going off about the port and I started talking to her about.. Trying to be a civil as possible, though I may have gotten a bit upset due to her being so angry. When I was tired of hearing anymore of it, I turned my whispers off. At this time that I turn my whispers off, she logs on the bot and bans me. I'd like to add I never accused anyone, I just thought it may them. I suspected it could be Wreckage or Thunder. As for stealing Forest? I saw the logs. Aka was given a list of alts to choose from, to keep, because Thunder "Doesn't use them".

(11:57:27) Enchant: and when i go do something on the weekend im all of a sudden gone off furcadia. i cant defend myself, they just keep coming up with new things to add. on her journal it says i can even program, but i cant. so... i'm a little stuck, all i can do is defend myself when peopel ask about it. and if they're out to make me look bad that is their problem. i know i did nothing wrong; other than retaliate when i noticed my alt was gone.

... Program what? Sites? o=O She makes layouts. She sells them. She even made me one for Aisumi and then erased it during the time my msn was hacked. My password was changed when my msn password was changed. So I wonder if it was her, why she got SO mad about me blocking her on msn that she had to erase my site? I durno. I'm kinda confused where it says she can program...


You can also whisper me on Thunder, the alt I frequent, for logs concerning the port incident and what happened(I have MSN logs of it, which I can screenshot), and the permission logs to ban Aisumi from the dream if she started anymore problems from Akarui Kurai/Kitten since I do not have permission to post them publicly. My friend had posted this on her journal but she blocked it. I also have the logs of them saying they do not know who it is exactly, who did it, from a friend who whispered Aisumi in game. - I was accused and I retaliated when I realized my alt was gone. No, I was not on good terms with Aisumi after she blocked me because of a port I wouldn't upload(though I had mentioned I would put it on my site), and the screenshot of her refunding the money revoking my privileges to use the port.

Akarui said herself that she said if I got tiffed publicly, not in whispers regarding you, that I was to be banned. But seeing as I've collected myself, gotten some estrogen into my body and I'm not having mood swings from hell anymore, I saw no reason for you to ban me just because I turned my whispers off. I was not talking to anyone about you, I was talking to Ammy about a commission she wanted. And her whispering you? I didn't know about it. She's not my friend and I'm clueless as hell as to why she said any of the stuff about you. I didn't tell her to yell at you, I didn't tell her I lived with Aka or that you stole digos. I just said that you effed up by banning me and you'd be punished when Aka got online. It was a few moments later that she said she was bitching you out and knowing how Ammy/Shizi is, I knew it wasn't going to be anything good. I asked her why and she said like.. "because she needs it!" and I'm like 'Uhh, okay?' Then she was all "lol she says you dont live with akarui" .. I responded with 'Uh. I don't live with Aka.. I never said I did?' Ammy gets all "O.o" and I guess that's when she stopped. Idk really cause I didn't say anything to her about the situation other than you were ticked at me because I turned off my whispers and you were overreacting by banning me.

Revoking your rights.. You never stated, that I saw anyways, that you were going to put it on your site. I've asked other portrait artists that I'm friends with and they all said that since I was the maker of the portrait and that you refused to use it and also refused to take a brand spankin' new portrait that would fit your likes that I had every right to refund you your $5, revoke your privileges, and resell the port to someone who actually liked it. I offered to make you a new one, but you said no and went on a rant about how Aka hated you.


"Aisumi is a psychotic person that throws an absolute fit if she doesn't get her way or if anyone disagrees with her. She is constantly the source of trouble in mungu, and her obsession with Aka is constant source of jealousy."    
 
"These people who have nothing but suspicion to go by are trying to ruin her reputation. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that Aisumi's msn was never hacked at all, Like I said she is psychotic and vindictive."

"I have to ask this question, does an artist have to right to simply gift back money and say you no longer can use art that you paid for any time they want?"

"I think Aisumi was wrong to try and revoke her rights after the fact, and now by offering the art for free on her site is in fact stealing from Thunder."

Okay one, how do you know me? You don't know me at all to judge me like that. I've never met you, I don't go to FurN, I don't go to TGT, I don't hang out with Thunder. I sit in Mungu every day, most of the day I'm idled and working on art or out of the house. So, I'm kinda confused how you seem to know me so well to call me a psycho. o-O As for the revoking thing? I asked Aqua Dark, Solka, Masha, and Akuda. They all said that I could revoke the rights to her using it when she said she didn't want it. Why did she pay me for something she'd never use and then tell me she didn't want it? Why would I sit there and offer to do her a new port if I knew she'd say "no thx Aka hates me and still hasnt done my commission she must not like me anymore"? I did not show her the lines, but seeing as when I asked for what kind of owl she wanted, what it needed.. she replies with "A long-eared owl" .. So, I drew that. Okay, so. Then she sent me a picture of an owl going (-.-) and said 'lol its going -.-' Okay? That's cool, but she never said that she wanted me to draw it like that. I told her I was not good with birds and to not expect much out of it.

Thunder was my friend. I thought she'd respect me more than she did when she actually saw the port. When she was happy with the other port I did for her, I kinda expected her to be happy with this outcome but she hated it. I was so upset with how rude she was to me considering I thought of her as a trusted friend. Someone that I could actually trust with my personal life. It seems now that I was wrong for not treating her like a regular customer and providing the lineart, but I was giddy and ready to shade and finish it. She wasn't replying to me when I had the lineart finished, so thinking she'd be perfectly okay with it and if she wasn't I could sell it as a premade.. Aka and I finished it. When Thunder told me she didn't like it, she didn't give me a reason. Not one solid reason as to why it was not good. So I said I would sell it as a premade and make her a better one.. She declines my offer and says "Any art for my character can't be sold as a premade.." ...... Does anyone else see that the owl was ... just an owl?

I don't believe I'm in the wrong. I've done a couple mistakes, but they were minor compared to what Thunder did herself. Deleting hard work of Akarui and then lol-ing and redirecting the site to porn. Now she's saying that Aka stole her alt when she gave it to her? She gifted me a life leonen cause she didn't use it. I kept it for a while and then I sold it trying to buy a life unicorn, which I couldn't afford so I gave up and the scales eventually went to other use. If you gift something to somebody, it's not them stealing it. Just like she gifted me a portrait when I needed one for my port by Aka. She said I needed to pay her back on the "new" mungu site she made. I copied it all, I took screenshots of the entire page of where she posted private whisper logs and private msn logs. This is so frustrating that she's trying to play the victim when she's doing more to us than we are to her. We don't whisper her, she's on silent rule and ignore. We posted this as a warning, not to "get back at her". I've not shared any whisper logs or msn logs from Thunder with anyone but Akarui. The reason being, it involves her.


[Not that this concerns anyone, but just a little side note to Thunder when she's telling people I'm psycho.] I'd just like to state that my "bitchyness" was from my hormones being out of whack due to trying to get off the depo provera birth control shot and having to wait over a month to get into my doctor's office to have her prescribe me some birth control pills to set my system back. Yeah. That's personal stuff and tbh I don't think anyone except personal friends should hear it. I alerted you, Akarui, Masha and everyone else in Mungu at the time(over a month ago) when I noticed a change in my system that I was having mood swings and my body wasn't acting right.. I was never jealous of you, you're an online person. A pixel. But I guess that means I'm psycho for having a silly hormone thing going on with me.


Offline P-AK

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #12: May 04, 2009, 03:31:22 PM»
What Brittany said.

Also, this seems like a whole lot of fail from both sides for getting so upset as to steal each others alts, wipe websites, and create huge drama over a very tiny minuscule five dollar commission.

It's a five dollar commission. You're all acting retarded.

Restore the sites. Give the rightful owners back their passwords and their characters.

When you get your stuff back, reset the passwords.

The money for the commission has been refunded. Make the art a freebie.

Stop talking to each other. Put each other on ignore. Block each other on AIM/MSN/etc.

Don't take it personally if someone doesn't like your final piece. The customer was willing to pay you for it anyhow. Do better next time, don't get deeply offended and start a piss war.

The whole lot of you need to grow up.

Nobody stole any alts or digos. Aka & I didn't erase any sites, Thunder did.

The port is free.

We don't talk to each other, nor do we want to.

I wasn't offended. I posted this after she erased Mungu's sites because it needed to be posted.

Get your facts straight before posting, please.


Offline starcros

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #13: May 04, 2009, 04:09:18 PM»
Ok getting back to the art portion. This is a thread  on ART ALERTS the rest was posted by you simply in retaliation.
Thunder bought and paid for the port so it was hers to use or not use, her being happy with it wasn't a requirement since she paid for it.
You had no right to throw her money back without permission at a later date and say now the port is free for ALL to use. By doing that, you took away any value as a unique piece of art it may have had and that is theft.
You cannot sell me something and then take it back simply because u didnt like the way she responded.
I ask this; had she broken any terms of agreements on this sale? If not then it was a valid sale.
You took it upon yourself to purchase the artwork back without permission.
The majority of the posters here are artist and as such will scream (rightfully so) anytime they feel an artists rights have been infringed on. In order to be taken seriously though, you must also stand up for the rights of the purchaser.
Am I to assume that when I purchase art, that the artist can at any later date change his or her mind for any reason and revoke my rights to a unique piece of art simply by throwing my money back at me?

« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 04:11:34 PM by starcros »

Offline Tate

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #14: May 04, 2009, 04:19:51 PM»
Ok getting back to the art portion. This is a thread  on ART ALERTS the rest was posted by you simply in retaliation.
Thunder bought and paid for the port so it was hers to use or not use, her being happy with it wasn't a requirement since she paid for it.
You had no right to throw her money back without permission at a later date and say now the port is free for ALL to use. By doing that, you took away any value as a unique piece of art it may have had and that is theft.
You cannot sell me something and then take it back simply because u didnt like the way she responded.
I ask this; had she broken any terms of agreements on this sale? If not then it was a valid sale.
You took it upon yourself to purchase the artwork back without permission.
The majority of the posters here are artist and as such will scream (rightfully so) anytime they feel an artists rights have been infringed on. In order to be taken seriously though, you must also stand up for the rights of the purchaser.
Am I to assume that when I purchase art, that the artist can at any later date change his or her mind for any reason and revoke my rights to a unique piece of art simply by throwing my money back at me?



Okay.
1) Learn english. No one's going to take you seriously if you can't even type seriously when you MEAN to be serious. What, are you a little kid?
2) It is an artist's right to do whatever they want with the art. If she wants to REFUND (not 'buy back') the art and make it free because she feels insulted, it's her right. If she had made it free without giving the money back, then people would have a right to be pissed. But she didn't. She gave the money back, and made it free, which, once more, is perfectly in her right, as the artist. We're not talking about maturity, if I agree or not, or if you or I like it. We're talking about her rights to do it.
3) The rest of the story was included because it has all happened as an apparent result. It's not 'retaliation'. At least I do not feel it is. It is informing everyone of what happened, the full story, when this commission went wrong. So long as it's related, I see no reason for it to not be posted.

I had something else to say, but I can't quite remember it at the moment. Either way, I see you as an uninformed little child who thinks they know everything about everything. It's too bad all of this is occurring with Americans, otherwise I'd bring up Moral Rights.

Offline Sabaton

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #15: May 04, 2009, 04:28:49 PM»
I have a question here..

Why does starcros say she can be found on Thunder, and refer to herself as being the one getting the art whatever, and then say that Thunder is someone else? o.O


I have a statement here:

If an artist does you work and you pay and they put the port up for free, THAT is theft.
If you get your money refunded because you're being a little brat about it and the artist puts it up as a free port, it's not theft.


As mush as
Quote
he majority of the posters here are artist and as such will scream (rightfully so) anytime they feel an artists rights have been infringed on. In order to be taken seriously though, you must also stand up for the rights of the purchaser.

I'm not an artist, and I think they did the right thing.

1. It's not right to be like YOUR ART FKING SUCKS IM NEVER USING IT. I saw it, it's a very nice port. I don't know what the beef was about. They offered edits, yet in a petty way you throw it back in their face for being nice? Psht..
2. Nobody knows if you hacked them, or if they stole the alt. That will have to be proven to no one but Cironir via whisper logs, which the person who was given the alt should do.
3. This is madness.. Pure and utter stupidity.

The end.
Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid.


Offline starcros

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #16: May 04, 2009, 04:52:41 PM»
Ok getting back to the art portion. This is a thread  on ART ALERTS the rest was posted by you simply in retaliation.
Thunder bought and paid for the port so it was hers to use or not use, her being happy with it wasn't a requirement since she paid for it.
You had no right to throw her money back without permission at a later date and say now the port is free for ALL to use. By doing that, you took away any value as a unique piece of art it may have had and that is theft.
You cannot sell me something and then take it back simply because u didnt like the way she responded.
I ask this; had she broken any terms of agreements on this sale? If not then it was a valid sale.
You took it upon yourself to purchase the artwork back without permission.
The majority of the posters here are artist and as such will scream (rightfully so) anytime they feel an artists rights have been infringed on. In order to be taken seriously though, you must also stand up for the rights of the purchaser.
Am I to assume that when I purchase art, that the artist can at any later date change his or her mind for any reason and revoke my rights to a unique piece of art simply by throwing my money back at me?



Okay.
1) Learn english. No one's going to take you seriously if you can't even type seriously when you MEAN to be serious. What, are you a little kid?
2) It is an artist's right to do whatever they want with the art. If she wants to REFUND (not 'buy back') the art and make it free because she feels insulted, it's her right. If she had made it free without giving the money back, then people would have a right to be pissed. But she didn't. She gave the money back, and made it free, which, once more, is perfectly in her right, as the artist. We're not talking about maturity, if I agree or not, or if you or I like it. We're talking about her rights to do it.
3) The rest of the story was included because it has all happened as an apparent result. It's not 'retaliation'. At least I do not feel it is. It is informing everyone of what happened, the full story, when this commission went wrong. So long as it's related, I see no reason for it to not be posted.

I had something else to say, but I can't quite remember it at the moment. Either way, I see you as an uninformed little child who thinks they know everything about everything. It's too bad all of this is occurring with Americans, otherwise I'd bring up Moral Rights.
1.) I am responding to a post not writing The Grapes of Wrath, because I slipped into chat speak while making my point doesn't make it any less valid. No I am not a child (a kid is a goat). I dare say, I am older and have a higher education then most here. The fact that you have to insult to make your point says scores about your character.

2.) Absolutely not. What an artist is actually doing when they make a sale, is they are selling you a limited portion of their rights to a piece of art. Once that sale is made, those rights can only be revoked by either a breech in the agreement or by mutual agreement by both parties.  

I have a friend that is a lawyer specializing in copyright law and I have consulted with him many times on this subject. While artist do retain some rights when they sell a piece of art, those rights are limited.
NO ONE has the right to reverse a sale at their discretion. A sale is a contract like any other.
You are people selling drawings, not Gods.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 05:17:37 PM by starcros »

Offline starcros

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #17: May 04, 2009, 05:00:36 PM»
I have a question here..

Why does starcros say she can be found on Thunder, and refer to herself as being the one getting the art whatever, and then say that Thunder is someone else? o.O


I have a statement here:

If an artist does you work and you pay and they put the port up for free, THAT is theft.
If you get your money refunded because you're being a little brat about it and the artist puts it up as a free port, it's not theft.


As mush as
Quote
he majority of the posters here are artist and as such will scream (rightfully so) anytime they feel an artists rights have been infringed on. In order to be taken seriously though, you must also stand up for the rights of the purchaser.

I'm not an artist, and I think they did the right thing.

1. It's not right to be like YOUR ART FKING SUCKS IM NEVER USING IT. I saw it, it's a very nice port. I don't know what the beef was about. They offered edits, yet in a petty way you throw it back in their face for being nice? Psht..
2. Nobody knows if you hacked them, or if they stole the alt. That will have to be proven to no one but Cironir via whisper logs, which the person who was given the alt should do.
3. This is madness.. Pure and utter stupidity.

The end.

In regards to your question; If you read carefully you will see I was posting for her.

As for your statements; She wasn't being a brat she simply stated it wasn't what she was expecting or wanted for a port but would use it on her site.  Also may I add that the artist didn't gift back her money and post the port for free until some time after the sale was complete

Do we now lose all rights if we arent nice or dont give praise? Where is the legal precedent for that?
« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 05:12:40 PM by starcros »

Offline P-AK

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #18: May 04, 2009, 05:14:04 PM»
Quote
No I am not a child (a kid is a goat)

... Sorry, I thought that was highly amusing. Anyways; I'd like to note to everyone that Starcros = Ballistic (proof from past posts on that account) and Ballistic = Wreckage, so this proves that Wreckage did not quit furcadia nor did he/she sell his alt Ballistic. For people who don't know the story, Wreckage is Thunder's stalker. So, if he/she stalks her.. why is Thunder roleplaying/so buddy-bud with them? I darno, but it kinda seems like they've got a nifty little scamming team put together.


Offline Tate

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #19: May 04, 2009, 05:16:30 PM»
Ok getting back to the art portion. This is a thread  on ART ALERTS the rest was posted by you simply in retaliation.
Thunder bought and paid for the port so it was hers to use or not use, her being happy with it wasn't a requirement since she paid for it.
You had no right to throw her money back without permission at a later date and say now the port is free for ALL to use. By doing that, you took away any value as a unique piece of art it may have had and that is theft.
You cannot sell me something and then take it back simply because u didnt like the way she responded.
I ask this; had she broken any terms of agreements on this sale? If not then it was a valid sale.
You took it upon yourself to purchase the artwork back without permission.
The majority of the posters here are artist and as such will scream (rightfully so) anytime they feel an artists rights have been infringed on. In order to be taken seriously though, you must also stand up for the rights of the purchaser.
Am I to assume that when I purchase art, that the artist can at any later date change his or her mind for any reason and revoke my rights to a unique piece of art simply by throwing my money back at me?



Okay.
1) Learn english. No one's going to take you seriously if you can't even type seriously when you MEAN to be serious. What, are you a little kid?
2) It is an artist's right to do whatever they want with the art. If she wants to REFUND (not 'buy back') the art and make it free because she feels insulted, it's her right. If she had made it free without giving the money back, then people would have a right to be pissed. But she didn't. She gave the money back, and made it free, which, once more, is perfectly in her right, as the artist. We're not talking about maturity, if I agree or not, or if you or I like it. We're talking about her rights to do it.
3) The rest of the story was included because it has all happened as an apparent result. It's not 'retaliation'. At least I do not feel it is. It is informing everyone of what happened, the full story, when this commission went wrong. So long as it's related, I see no reason for it to not be posted.

I had something else to say, but I can't quite remember it at the moment. Either way, I see you as an uninformed little child who thinks they know everything about everything. It's too bad all of this is occurring with Americans, otherwise I'd bring up Moral Rights.
1.) I am responding to a post not writing The Grapes of Wrath, because I slipped into chat speak while making my point doesn't make it any less valid. No I am not a child (a kid is a goat). I dare say, I am older and have a higher education then most here. The fact that you have to insult to make your point says scores about your character.

2.) Absolutely not. What an artist is actually doing when they make a sale, is they are selling you a limited portion of their rights to a piece of art. Once that sale is made, those rights can only be revoked by either a breech in the agreement or by mutual agreement by both parties.  

I have a friend that is a lawyer specializing in copyright law and I have consulted with him many times on this subject. While artist do retain some rights when they sell a piece of art, those rights are limited.
NO ONE has the right to reverse a sale at their discretion. A sale is a contract like any other.
You are people selling drawings, not Gods.
2.)

1) LOL. OH YOU'RE SO EDUMACATED YOU THINK KID ONLY EQUALS GOAT AND ISN'T USED IN THE HUMAN LANGUAGE TO REFER TO A CHILD. LOLOLOL. Okay. I take it back. You're not a kid. You're a faggot. Hahaha. Oh, and ever hear of proof reading your posts? Or, better yet, SPELL CHECK? Oh, even better, did you know some browsers COME with spell check, built in? 8D
2)You can take the rights away from them because, as you said, you are only giving them a LIMITED VERSION OF THE RIGHTS TO THE ART, thus leaving YOU (unless previously agreed) the full owner of the rights. UNLESS you made it your agreement that the person can never lose their rights, you CAN take them back, being the owner of the copyright. Just like I can take my fucking car back from you if I'm lending it to you. I still own the papers for the car. And I still own the copyright to my art.

LAWL "I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S A LAWYER LOLOLOLOL SO I THUS KNOW ALL AND YOU'RE JUST A SHITLET LITTLE KID WHO KNOWS NOTHING HAHAHAHAHA I WIN THIS ARGUMENT. OH ALSO I'M OLDER AND HAVE A BETTER EDUCATION LOLOLOL"

Shut the fuck up.

Now I'm leaving and will just be lolling at this thread as idiots continue to post. k?

Offline starcros

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #20: May 04, 2009, 05:24:39 PM»
Ok getting back to the art portion. This is a thread  on ART ALERTS the rest was posted by you simply in retaliation.
Thunder bought and paid for the port so it was hers to use or not use, her being happy with it wasn't a requirement since she paid for it.
You had no right to throw her money back without permission at a later date and say now the port is free for ALL to use. By doing that, you took away any value as a unique piece of art it may have had and that is theft.
You cannot sell me something and then take it back simply because u didnt like the way she responded.
I ask this; had she broken any terms of agreements on this sale? If not then it was a valid sale.
You took it upon yourself to purchase the artwork back without permission.
The majority of the posters here are artist and as such will scream (rightfully so) anytime they feel an artists rights have been infringed on. In order to be taken seriously though, you must also stand up for the rights of the purchaser.
Am I to assume that when I purchase art, that the artist can at any later date change his or her mind for any reason and revoke my rights to a unique piece of art simply by throwing my money back at me?



Okay.
1) Learn english. No one's going to take you seriously if you can't even type seriously when you MEAN to be serious. What, are you a little kid?
2) It is an artist's right to do whatever they want with the art. If she wants to REFUND (not 'buy back') the art and make it free because she feels insulted, it's her right. If she had made it free without giving the money back, then people would have a right to be pissed. But she didn't. She gave the money back, and made it free, which, once more, is perfectly in her right, as the artist. We're not talking about maturity, if I agree or not, or if you or I like it. We're talking about her rights to do it.
3) The rest of the story was included because it has all happened as an apparent result. It's not 'retaliation'. At least I do not feel it is. It is informing everyone of what happened, the full story, when this commission went wrong. So long as it's related, I see no reason for it to not be posted.

I had something else to say, but I can't quite remember it at the moment. Either way, I see you as an uninformed little child who thinks they know everything about everything. It's too bad all of this is occurring with Americans, otherwise I'd bring up Moral Rights.
1.) I am responding to a post not writing The Grapes of Wrath, because I slipped into chat speak while making my point doesn't make it any less valid. No I am not a child (a kid is a goat). I dare say, I am older and have a higher education then most here. The fact that you have to insult to make your point says scores about your character.

2.) Absolutely not. What an artist is actually doing when they make a sale, is they are selling you a limited portion of their rights to a piece of art. Once that sale is made, those rights can only be revoked by either a breech in the agreement or by mutual agreement by both parties.  

I have a friend that is a lawyer specializing in copyright law and I have consulted with him many times on this subject. While artist do retain some rights when they sell a piece of art, those rights are limited.
NO ONE has the right to reverse a sale at their discretion. A sale is a contract like any other.
You are people selling drawings, not Gods.
2.)

1) LOL. OH YOU'RE SO EDUMACATED YOU THINK KID ONLY EQUALS GOAT AND ISN'T USED IN THE HUMAN LANGUAGE TO REFER TO A CHILD. LOLOLOL. Okay. I take it back. You're not a kid. You're a faggot. Hahaha. Oh, and ever hear of proof reading your posts? Or, better yet, SPELL CHECK? Oh, even better, did you know some browsers COME with spell check, built in? 8D
2)You can take the rights away from them because, as you said, you are only giving them a LIMITED VERSION OF THE RIGHTS TO THE ART, thus leaving YOU (unless previously agreed) the full owner of the rights. UNLESS you made it your agreement that the person can never lose their rights, you CAN take them back, being the owner of the copyright. Just like I can take my fucking car back from you if I'm lending it to you. I still own the papers for the car. And I still own the copyright to my art.

LAWL "I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S A LAWYER LOLOLOLOL SO I THUS KNOW ALL AND YOU'RE JUST A SHITLET LITTLE KID WHO KNOWS NOTHING HAHAHAHAHA I WIN THIS ARGUMENT. OH ALSO I'M OLDER AND HAVE A BETTER EDUCATION LOLOLOL"

Shut the fuck up.

Now I'm leaving and will just be lolling at this thread as idiots continue to post. k?


You aren't portraying yourself in the most intelligent light.
Get back to me when you're old enough to vote.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 05:26:38 PM by starcros »

Offline P-AK

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #21: May 04, 2009, 05:34:25 PM»
... Masha is turning 20 in a short while.

But! Let's all get back onto the true subject. Thx.


Offline starcros

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #22: May 04, 2009, 05:36:56 PM»
Quote
No I am not a child (a kid is a goat)

... Sorry, I thought that was highly amusing. Anyways; I'd like to note to everyone that Starcros = Ballistic (proof from past posts on that account) and Ballistic = Wreckage, so this proves that Wreckage did not quit furcadia nor did he/she sell his alt Ballistic. For people who don't know the story, Wreckage is Thunder's stalker. So, if he/she stalks her.. why is Thunder roleplaying/so buddy-bud with them? I darno, but it kinda seems like they've got a nifty little scamming team put together.

First you imply to Thunder that I was trying to somehow hack you (that drew me into the argument), now I am a scammer?
Who have I ever scammed or hacked? Give me just one instance?
« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 05:38:53 PM by starcros »

Offline starcros

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #23: May 04, 2009, 05:42:26 PM»
... Masha is turning 20 in a short while.


Unbelievable! I hope she has people to take care of her.

Offline P-AK

Re: WARNING: Thunder/Horror/Enchant/Shaybay
«Reply #24: May 04, 2009, 05:43:53 PM»
Quote
No I am not a child (a kid is a goat)

... Sorry, I thought that was highly amusing. Anyways; I'd like to note to everyone that Starcros = Ballistic (proof from past posts on that account) and Ballistic = Wreckage, so this proves that Wreckage did not quit furcadia nor did he/she sell his alt Ballistic. For people who don't know the story, Wreckage is Thunder's stalker. So, if he/she stalks her.. why is Thunder roleplaying/so buddy-bud with them? I darno, but it kinda seems like they've got a nifty little scamming team put together.

First you imply to Thunder that I was trying to somehow hack you (that drew me into the argument), now I am a scammer?
Who have I ever scammed or hacked? Give me just one instance?


kinda seems is what I said. Don't twist my words~

Also, I never told Thunder you were hacking me. I never said anything to her at all about you other than I thought it could be you since she hinted quite a few times to Akarui and myself that you were capable of hacking. I didn't know who it was, I didn't accuse anyone. Cironir has the link to the thread and my email from the day I found someone failing at stealing Aisumi. I've got the screenshot of "Shay" on my msn and I've got the email still staring me in the face with the IP.. So He'll come here and resolve this whole ordeal or I'll have a nifty email waiting for me alerting me that the hacker/scammer/whatever/whoever it was that tried to steal only Aisumi from me has been banned or something to the sort. Jah~Jah~
« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 05:48:59 PM by P-AK »