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Offline Tate

"Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«: May 28, 2009, 01:33:09 PM»
we have doodle above you, where everyone can participate, and there are no quality (of art or of presentation) standards. Because of this, while some people will give someone art with some effort, others will obviously just give whatever they crapped out. And of course some people just have no idea how to draw at all.

I am aware quite a few people have stopped drawing in the thread because they get no return, and thus the 'fun' of the thread is lost for them.

My thought is to make a thread for more advanced artists, and for sketch and above quality work. No, this thread is not asking for masterpieces, but it is asking for something that at least resembles the character you're drawing.

So THIS thread is to discuss the potential guidelines, rules, etc. of the thread. And perhaps a different name than "sketch" above you. Quickest word I could pull outta my ass. And how do you think it should be determined if someone is not good enough? Should we trust it to be self determined, or have some other manner?

My thoughts:
The person should be required to have a scanner. If they do not have a scanner, they must be able to draw well on the computer.

the person should have a basic understanding of anatomy/is above beginner level. (Out of Beginner, Intermediate, and Expert, the person would need to be at intermediate and above. Examples below.)

(Random things pulled off DA)
Beginner: http://porcelainwolf.deviantart.com/art/Gaara-124008980
http://sonicathehedgeh0g.deviantart.com/art/Just-Me-124011331
http://mallahopeless.deviantart.com/art/My-Name-is-INGA-fanART-124011497
Intermediate: http://andrewchandler80.deviantart.com/art/Welcome-Back-Kuta-124014134 (the rest of this person's art is rather good, but I felt this can be a higher end example of some things you should be able to do.)
http://ferianmoon.deviantart.com/art/Edwarde-Sketch-123923809
http://the-blackcat.deviantart.com/art/Too-many-Jokers-92526671

Feel free to post your own examples of what you think constitutes beginner/intermediate.

You can also say whether or not you agree with this thread being made, and why.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2009, 01:38:27 PM by Masha »

 
        

Offline Morgan

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #1: May 28, 2009, 01:35:07 PM»
i am absolutely stunned that you had a good idea for once.

Offline Tate

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #2: May 28, 2009, 01:39:02 PM»
I have my moments.

pez

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #3: May 28, 2009, 01:39:55 PM»
just a random thought, though it may take a bit too much time out of the thread creator and/or other mods of the thread's hands--

possibly make it almost like a secret santa? have people sign up and someone pair people, maybe. you could have 'rounds'.

Offline Cathoir

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #4: May 28, 2009, 01:40:28 PM»
i am very much in favor of this idea.

Offline Tate

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #5: May 28, 2009, 01:43:04 PM»
just a random thought, though it may take a bit too much time out of the thread creator and/or other mods of the thread's hands--

possibly make it almost like a secret santa? have people sign up and someone pair people, maybe. you could have 'rounds'.

That's a good idea. Perhaps take an equal amount of people per round, and use dice on Furc to decide who's with who.

IPGD

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #6: May 28, 2009, 01:44:11 PM»
Probably going to be a good way to start shitstorms. Who decides who is good enough? Who deals with the bads that flip out when you tell them they're a beginner instead of the kawaii professional mangaka they truly believe they are?

Offline Morgan

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #7: May 28, 2009, 01:44:51 PM»
Probably going to be a good way to start shitstorms. Who decides who is good enough? Who deals with the bads that flip out when you tell them they're a beginner instead of the kawaii professional mangaka they truly believe they are?

but shitstorms are fun >:(

Offline Sync

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #8: May 28, 2009, 01:47:25 PM»
uh i agree with matter lol. idk i guess i'm good with wolves but i'm bad with humans soo idk if i could even post at all. and yeah, idk how to decide who's good enough. like if you were an extremely stylized animu artist and somebody didn't like it, would you be bad? hell if i know.

Offline Morgan

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #9: May 28, 2009, 01:51:16 PM»
well if you're rejected, don't get butthurt and just practice.

IPGD

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #10: May 28, 2009, 01:51:58 PM»
uh i agree with matter lol. idk i guess i'm good with wolves but i'm bad with humans soo idk if i could even post at all. and yeah, idk how to decide who's good enough. like if you were an extremely stylized animu artist and somebody didn't like it, would you be bad? hell if i know.
yes

honestly, 99% of faz is bad and below intermediate (yes, I'm including myself, I'm fucking terrible). separating the bads from the slightly less bads will be difficult and largely colored by personal taste, especially when it's being done by other bads with little perspective. if I had my way nobody would be able to post in this new thread

nobody

Offline Narnia

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #11: May 28, 2009, 01:53:19 PM»
I am NOT a fan of this idea. Once you start this thread you are instantly asking that every moderator on this site devote a significant amount of time to the thread assuring that every person who participates is over a certain quality (which may or may not be able to be quantified). You are then asking the moderators to play policeman and drag everyone out of the thread who may or may not be of that certain elusive quality. You are then asking the moderators, or myself, to deal with everyone who is complaining about being removed from the thread.

Why should we be required to police such a thread just because everyone can't play nice in the other one?
"The views expressed in this message are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect those of the Furcadia Art Zone, Dragon's Eye Production, or Furcadia."

Offline Morgan

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #12: May 28, 2009, 01:53:43 PM»
uh i agree with matter lol. idk i guess i'm good with wolves but i'm bad with humans soo idk if i could even post at all. and yeah, idk how to decide who's good enough. like if you were an extremely stylized animu artist and somebody didn't like it, would you be bad? hell if i know.
yes

honestly, 99% of faz is bad and below intermediate (yes, I'm including myself, I'm fucking terrible). separating the bads from the slightly less bads will be difficult and largely colored by personal taste, especially when it's being done by other bads with little perspective. if I had my way nobody would be able to post in this new thread

nobody

basically what's being asked is for someone to have a halfway decent grasp on anatomy. is that such a hard thing to distinguish?

Offline Morgan

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #13: May 28, 2009, 01:54:23 PM»
I am NOT a fan of this idea. Once you start this thread you are instantly asking that every moderator on this site devote a significant amount of time to the thread assuring that every person who participates is over a certain quality (which may or may not be able to be quantified). You are then asking the moderators to play policeman and drag everyone out of the thread who may or may not be of that certain elusive quality. You are then asking the moderators, or myself, to deal with everyone who is complaining about being removed from the thread.

Why should we be required to police such a thread just because everyone can't play nice in the other one?

you could make me and matter mod it 8)

Offline Tate

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #14: May 28, 2009, 01:54:48 PM»
uh i agree with matter lol. idk i guess i'm good with wolves but i'm bad with humans soo idk if i could even post at all. and yeah, idk how to decide who's good enough. like if you were an extremely stylized animu artist and somebody didn't like it, would you be bad? hell if i know.

How often do you see feral wolf characters posted in these threads...?
I don't see a problem with adjusting it to pair someone up with things they're able to draw, if they give a small list of what they're able to do well. I know I'm poor with large men.

I would have no problem being the person to tell someone, but that's because I'm a bitch with a shit reputation anyway. Though I haven't a good idea as to how to decide this. Sometimes it's extremely obvious. I don't think there'd be a huge deal with doing it since most cases are a tad more than obvious. And a 'simplified anime style' should still be able to show a knowledge of anatomy and how things work.

Offline Narnia

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #15: May 28, 2009, 01:56:27 PM»
Since I'm against this (and I assume many of the staff will be as well), I wouldn't plan on this idea taking off.

Now, if I start making about $2,000 a month off of FAZ so I can't get my real job and focus solely on running an online community. I'll let you have it.
"The views expressed in this message are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect those of the Furcadia Art Zone, Dragon's Eye Production, or Furcadia."

Offline Narnia

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #16: May 28, 2009, 01:57:33 PM»
uh i agree with matter lol. idk i guess i'm good with wolves but i'm bad with humans soo idk if i could even post at all. and yeah, idk how to decide who's good enough. like if you were an extremely stylized animu artist and somebody didn't like it, would you be bad? hell if i know.

How often do you see feral wolf characters posted in these threads...?
I don't see a problem with adjusting it to pair someone up with things they're able to draw, if they give a small list of what they're able to do well. I know I'm poor with large men.

I would have no problem being the person to tell someone, but that's because I'm a bitch with a shit reputation anyway. Though I haven't a good idea as to how to decide this. Sometimes it's extremely obvious. I don't think there'd be a huge deal with doing it since most cases are a tad more than obvious. And a 'simplified anime style' should still be able to show a knowledge of anatomy and how things work.

So it's like the Supreme Court describing porn.. I'll know it when I see it?

That doesn't fly.
"The views expressed in this message are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect those of the Furcadia Art Zone, Dragon's Eye Production, or Furcadia."

IPGD

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #17: May 28, 2009, 01:58:12 PM»
basically what's being asked is for someone to have a halfway decent grasp on anatomy. is that such a hard thing to distinguish?
yes

nobody on faz has a halfway decent grasp on anatomy

Offline Morgan

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #18: May 28, 2009, 01:58:47 PM»
basically what's being asked is for someone to have a halfway decent grasp on anatomy. is that such a hard thing to distinguish?
yes

nobody on faz has a halfway decent grasp on anatomy

okay. okay. halfway decent for faz.

Offline Tate

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #19: May 28, 2009, 01:59:13 PM»
uh i agree with matter lol. idk i guess i'm good with wolves but i'm bad with humans soo idk if i could even post at all. and yeah, idk how to decide who's good enough. like if you were an extremely stylized animu artist and somebody didn't like it, would you be bad? hell if i know.

How often do you see feral wolf characters posted in these threads...?
I don't see a problem with adjusting it to pair someone up with things they're able to draw, if they give a small list of what they're able to do well. I know I'm poor with large men.

I would have no problem being the person to tell someone, but that's because I'm a bitch with a shit reputation anyway. Though I haven't a good idea as to how to decide this. Sometimes it's extremely obvious. I don't think there'd be a huge deal with doing it since most cases are a tad more than obvious. And a 'simplified anime style' should still be able to show a knowledge of anatomy and how things work.

So it's like the Supreme Court describing porn.. I'll know it when I see it?

That doesn't fly.

I'm sorry, I'll get to making every single art style uniform and easily determined by a computer. brb

(In other words, yeah, it's usually actually EXTREMELY obvious when an arm is sticking out of the neck.)
« Last Edit: May 28, 2009, 02:01:19 PM by Masha »

Offline skill

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #20: May 28, 2009, 02:03:43 PM»
maybe it shouldn't be based on skill level, rather than just plain out effort.

like have a set guideline of what is acceptable and what isn't.. like no plain line work without at least some attempt at shading, etc. something that everyone can try their hand at, and maybe even improve their skills.

through these eyes i've looked the devil  in the face, and i've seen god's holy grace.

pez

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #21: May 28, 2009, 02:04:55 PM»
i'm all for this idea because no one should ever have to get



that sort of shit in return for their doodle.

Offline Morgan

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #22: May 28, 2009, 02:04:59 PM»
maybe it shouldn't be based on skill level, rather than just plain out effort.

like have a set guideline of what is acceptable and what isn't.. like no plain line work without at least some attempt at shading, etc. something that everyone can try their hand at, and maybe even improve their skills.

the problem isn't that. some of us do not like to shade period. some of us can get by with decent sketches. it's the godawful quality of some of (most of) the people posting that's driven people away.

Offline Hugo

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #23: May 28, 2009, 02:05:03 PM»
TBH you're going to get shit heads no matter what your thread is about. I'm all for this idea especially after so many of my pictures were returned with either a.) nothing or b.) an MS paint doodle (one of which resembled the Penrose triangle).

If people are worried about being rejected or whatnot, there's always the regular doodle thread which I am sure people will still use.

Edit: And yes it's all about effort. If someone has clearly spent time drawing someone, don't give them a 2-second doodle in return. It's a courtesy issue.

Offline Tate

Re: "Sketch" the person above you thread-discussion
«Reply #24: May 28, 2009, 02:05:38 PM»
maybe it shouldn't be based on skill level, rather than just plain out effort.

like have a set guideline of what is acceptable and what isn't.. like no plain line work without at least some attempt at shading, etc. something that everyone can try their hand at, and maybe even improve their skills.

That could be better(on effort. Not shading), but it'd still leave it extremely open to arms sticking out of necks. But I guess it'd work.

My 'you must have a scanner, or be able to draw(experienced and often do it) well on the computer' thing still stands.

 

anything