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Offline Tate

Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«: June 27, 2009, 07:20:39 PM»
As i was finishing up my arcanine doodle today, I sat there, thinking about something. In the artist's comments of my FA submission, I said that it's bound to be stolen especially since it's a generic pokemon, and that if you feel the need to take it against my wishes, at least give credit.

It brought my mind back to when I was speaking with an artist on FA who's art was posted on e621 and people we using her character. She asked how it could be removed, and I found the DNP list. On it, it said something about "For those who never want to be popular."

I'm not sure how to go about this thought, but here it is: Your art is going to be stolen, either way you look at it. So should you allow it to be reposted so long as they link back, thus getting your name out there and becoming more 'popular', and so when someone tries to claim your art, you'll be well known enough for people to say, "LOL NO THAT'S MASHA'S ART, not yours!".. or keep this ban on the art staying on your page only, and potentially never become well known enough for someone to realize when someone else is stealing your art?

It's going to get stolen and reposted and such anyway, after all. So do we try to boost our popularity by allowing it to be reposted/getting ourselves known, so people catch the actual thieves trying to make money off of you? Or do we keep digging out heels in?

.. Sorry for rambly post. Your thoughts?

I ignored it the first few times, hoping my posts would help people catch a clue, but since most of you are unable to read the thread, here:

Discuss:
-Image repost boards (that give credit/sources)
-How these boards effect an artist's popularity, and how it will make people notice when your art is stolen.
-Does this make it more likely for your character to be stolen? How do YOU feel about your character being stolen?
-Anything else you have to say, related to image repost boards?

Do not discuss:
Art theft, on its own, unrelated to Image Repost boards
« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 05:42:51 PM by Masha »

 
        

Offline Marve

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #1: June 27, 2009, 07:56:30 PM»
I do agree, completely! - It is really a pitty that people do stoop to stealing art (fist) which is why I try mark and conceal my artwork the best I can, but without it being out there for people to see, the whats good use of it with no comments of credit? Is a little piece of a thank you too much to say for things nowadays? What has become of us.

Though I have to honestly say, if somebody was using my art (which I highly doubt XD) I'd be pretty piffed :/

Offline Dolly

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #2: June 27, 2009, 08:47:16 PM»
I'm not really sure what the point of this post is.

I'm assuming what you're saying is art theft is some sort of advertising, which... doesn't make sense to me.

While I am entirely indifferent and apathetic to the fact that people take pictures they didn't draw and claim them as their own, I don't acknowledge that the act of doing this somehow gets the original artist's name out there.  If they're stealing the piece, they want everyone to believe they drew it so they can be praised and get positive attention.  The last thing a person in this situation would do would be link back to the original artist in order to get them artist praise.  If anything they would want said artist to remain in obscurity so that their ruse would never come to light.

Offline Tate

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #3: June 27, 2009, 08:57:33 PM»
No, I'm not saying theft is advertisement.

Let's post two definitions here. Image repost boards that cite you as the artist with a link to you and someone posting your art on da and saying its theirs.

That is the difference.

I've heard a lot of people say they find artists by those things, and the repost boards themselves mock artists who deny to ever be reposted. I've seen good points brought up, though, that the reposts are advertisement ('extra galleries') because they link back. And that the less obscure the artist is, the less likely someone will get away with actually claiming the art as theirs, as a  lot of people would know of the artist, opposed to an extremely obscure artist.

Offline Dolly

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #4: June 27, 2009, 09:35:54 PM»
Oh, I see what you mean now.

I don't consider reposting an image and giving credit to the original artist as theft at all.  In this case you are absolutely right.  Reposting an image and giving credit to the original artist is advertisement, and I can't wrap my head around anyone getting angry over this.

Offline Tate

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #5: June 27, 2009, 09:58:03 PM»
Oh, I see what you mean now.

I don't consider reposting an image and giving credit to the original artist as theft at all.  In this case you are absolutely right.  Reposting an image and giving credit to the original artist is advertisement, and I can't wrap my head around anyone getting angry over this.

Honestly, the only reason I have against this is because of all the kiddies in furn using pictures off sites as their character reference. It's the only reason I'm still digging my heels in. I really could never stand someone to use Masha or Tachs as their own character, which getting popular/posting on image hosting sites would inevitably encourage.

Offline Hugo

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #6: June 27, 2009, 10:05:19 PM»
People don't give credit if you ask them to. That's why it's an issue. Even if you tell them it's OK to use it if they give credit they won't give credit.

Look at how many free ports get stolen and loaded as jpegs or have the sigs removed?

IPGD

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #7: June 28, 2009, 12:05:02 AM»
Oh, I see what you mean now.

I don't consider reposting an image and giving credit to the original artist as theft at all.  In this case you are absolutely right.  Reposting an image and giving credit to the original artist is advertisement, and I can't wrap my head around anyone getting angry over this.

Offline Tate

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #8: June 28, 2009, 01:30:18 AM»
But do you feel anything about the fact people do use your art as their characters, when it's posted on an image board? Do you have any reserves about the image boards?

IPGD

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #9: June 28, 2009, 05:11:25 AM»
Quote
But do you feel anything about the fact people do use your art as their characters, when it's posted on an image board? Do you have any reserves about the image boards?
Not really. As long as they aren't overtly claiming that the art is theirs, I don't particularly care, and I don't lose sleep at night thinking there might be people doing it that I don't know about. I've also made several pieces specifically for circulation on certain image boards

Offline ding

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #10: June 28, 2009, 09:16:25 AM»
while i feel that it's somewhat degrading to call theft free endorsement(if that's what you meant), i can see the benefits from posting on imageboards, where you see lots of doujin artists highly requested because their art is GOOD, and not because they have big e-dicks.

i wouldn't mind if people used my art for their characters, as long as they at least did it on sites i didn't visit. if i see someone walking around with my exact same port but with a ms-paint mohawk, that's just disrespectful and i might go a little apeshit because furcadia is small enough that i could tell almost everyone on furc how shit my art is, just by advertising on the news channel

maybe its sad but i think having your art requested on popular image boards is pretty prestigious... i wouldnt mind, anyway

edit: i read the thread, (yes after posting) and i think i see your point. it's better not to ridicule yourself, by saying "DONT STEEL" when people have seen your art in other places posted w/o permission and came looking for it to see more?  sounds fair
« Last Edit: June 28, 2009, 09:30:24 AM by ding »

Offline Wulf

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #11: June 29, 2009, 01:54:29 AM»
Most of the time, I don't worry much about my art being stolen because I am not a sought out artist.

But the way I see it, it is up to the artist to be sure that their work is used the way it was meant to be.

If you're concerned about people using your art at all, you should watermark it. Signatures can be removed easily. That way, even if the art is used, your name has not been removed, thus preventing someone from claiming your art is their own.
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Offline Tate

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #12: June 29, 2009, 05:20:12 PM»
This thread isn't about what if your art gets stolen omgbawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww it is about your opinion on IMAGE REPOST SITES THAT GIVE YOU CREDIT and how it effects the likelyhood of people actually noticing when someone is using your art and claiming it's theirs (aka stealing).

This is In-Depth talk, please read the thread (Original post AND responses), and refrain from just reading the title and posting your copypasta response.

You may also discuss anything that may happen when used on repost sites, such as character theft that is rampant in furn through e621, and anything else related. However, the typical post about art theft in general is not wanted. Please relate your posts to image repost sites
« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 05:24:21 PM by Masha »

Offline $kye

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #13: June 29, 2009, 08:35:18 PM»
i can understand and agree with.. not wanting my character to be ruined LOL. ive seen the people in furn too who are like 'not my art but dis my character shes super sexy' and even if the ref image is porn i wonder if the artist would ever be embarrassed to know someones trying to roleplay their character/image (usually they dont do a very good job of portraying it either >.>).

idk i feel its similar to when people use photographs of other people and say its their character because even if theyre giving credit does the artist/person really know and agree with it... cuz i wouldnt if i was a girl on myspace and found out someone roleplayed me in a slave dream where people have sex with all kinds of strange things.

Offline Grumpyskunk

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #14: July 04, 2009, 08:11:41 PM»
In my opinion, if I wasn't already using the character that I drew up on a whim I wouldn't care but if it was a character that I roleplay with frequently or one of my main characters I would flip a shit. I would hate to see someone running around with MY art that I use on MY character. I mean I'm not going to stick my own stuff on e621 or other such sites (mainly because I don't think it's good enough) but if it ended up on there by chance I wouldn't go crazy (as long as I'm not too attatched to the art/character). I would take it as a compliment. People want to use my art as references for their chars. Whoopdidoo!

Offline Hathor

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #15: July 05, 2009, 07:26:30 AM»
Having my art reposted on image boards doesn't bother me. I've found that when it happens, the people that reposted it downloaded it from FA and reuploaded it with the same filename, which has my FA username in it. So long as they have my name or sig left on it, I'm fine with it.

More people knowing your art to prevent real theft is always a good thing to me.

I guess it ticks me off a little when I see somebody walking around on Furc with a "picture of their character" in their desc, described as some yiffy whore, when really the character isn't used for that kinda stuff at all and the owner of the character doesn't like that. But at least they're usually not claiming they drew the art, or that it was made for them. I think image boards most likely increase the chance of that happening, since whenever I do see a "stolen" character, it's linked to places like e601 or whatever it's called. Never seen a link straight to DA or any other art site unless the person is the real owner. But, I don't truely believe that it is theft, since most of the time the person is using the image to say their character looks similar to what's in the pic. However, I do wish more people would at least try and draw their own characters, or at least find a free or cheap artist and commission them. It's much better to have your own personal picture.

And I don't tend to browse image boards at all, I much prefer browsing sites like DA and FA so I can see the original posting of the art and the description that goes with it.
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Erde

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #16: July 16, 2009, 02:09:30 PM»
All in all I believe if artwork is reposted, it should be with the artist's consent.  That's the main reason I dislike e621 so much, because I bet 99.9% of the time, no one asks the artist if they can post it.  Hell, if the artist WANTED to post it, they could (which yes, some of them do).

Advertisement or not, it's still rude.  Perhaps the artist doesn't want to be advertised, or doesn't want critique like some people give on e621.  I realize this won't do shit to change anyone's advances towards reposting art, but this is just my opinion.

I saw my art reposted on a site (4chan's /v/ thread, no less!), and I was a bit surprised, but I was not happy about it. It was linked to me by a friend, so goodness knows what people on that site were saying about it..

If I saw any of my art on e621 though, I would NOT be happy in the least bit. I have a hard enough time drawing naked furries, let alone the idea of people fapping to them. And the idea of people linking to the pictures to use as their characters.. no.

I say, it's fine with the artist's consent, but not everyone wants to become "popular." Personally, I'd rather just take the few commissions that come my way every now and again then have people bugging me 24/7 about my artwork, or seeing characters made based off of it.

Offline Kono

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #17: August 03, 2009, 09:09:36 AM»
Character theft is annoying. But if there's a link back to you somewhere, anyone with a lick of sense will probably realize "O hay wait... Kono is (c) to Crystal Wilson, not Joe Schmo whats-his-face."

So I think it's really subject to the artists personal opinion and what all they're worried about. Can I prove Kono is mine? Yes I can. Will I kick your butt for using her as your own? Yes I will. Do I really mind if there are pictures of her on websites, so long as they link right back to my deviantART/personal website? Not really, no.

In most cases, I still have the best-quality or IRL copies of my artwork. If it came down to a real problem, I can prove it is, yes, mine and not someone else's.
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Offline Suzy

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #18: August 03, 2009, 11:30:34 PM»
Kinda related... I saw an artist on deviantART get one of her characters get directly stolen, art, information, and all. She requested that they stop and they never did. This person was, I think, hotlinking (that's what you call it right? lol I'm retarded) to the original image, so she managed to do something to make the hotlinked picture show up as hardcore bestiality porn.

And there was much lulz.

Offline Clove

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #19: August 04, 2009, 10:08:31 PM»
Character theft is such a bother. But really it cannot be stopped because some people can either start out with the best intentions like making their very first furry character or with the worse; i.e flaming and making fun of.


I think I'd be quite peeved to find any of my pieces on some other website for pornographic pictures or being used by some one else all with out my consent as the creator. D:

Offline Mousesong

Re: Your art is going to be stolen, anyway.
«Reply #20: August 25, 2009, 02:09:33 PM»
I think a significant contributor to the character-theft-via-image-board thing is just plain ignorance. Lots of people, especially new to the whole roleplay community thing, don't realize it's a faux pas to find a random picture and say "this is my character." That said, plenty of the people doing it DO know better, especially if they're flocking over to image boards.

I'm sort of torn. 90% of me wants to be flattered, but the other 10% is going "urgh, for what unseemly purposes is this now being used?"

A friend of mine recently came across some Good Omens fanart I'd done posted without credit on a 4chan type board for fandom stuff. Strangely, I wasn't upset--whether it was because I thought the picture sucked or, more likely, because it wasn't my character in the first place.

But if I was wandering around the internet and found a picture of, say, Sawyer on a board where I knew people were sticking him into their character descs and doing terrible things to him, I'd be angry even if every username I ever used was plastered all over to give me credit and they were hailing me as some sort of art god (wtf?).

You raise a good point. It's a difficult issue to take a side on!

I wish more people'd read your original post. *pats* I feel your pain.
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