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Offline Katto

AV Help?
«: November 07, 2009, 03:47:39 PM»


This av here is bugging me. The front poses are ok, but I can't figure out what I did to make it look so wonky on the back poses. The sketch looked fine.

Redlines/guidelines/suggentions are greatly appreciated!


« Last Edit: May 08, 2010, 11:28:47 AM by Ziel »

 
        

Offline Heimdall

Re: Dragon/Lizard AV- Help?
«Reply #1: November 07, 2009, 04:05:08 PM»
Hehe, it's Toothless. :3 That's adorable.

The angle does seem off, though. The head seems fine, but the feet and spine are skewed. (Note, though, that if you want his butt raised up in the air, the spine angle is ok.) Use the two over, one down lines to line stuff up as you work. :) Looking great though.


Offline Katto

Re: Dragon/Lizard AV- Help?
«Reply #2: November 07, 2009, 04:32:39 PM»
The angle does seem off, though. The head seems fine, but the feet and spine are skewed. (Note, though, that if you want his butt raised up in the air, the spine angle is ok.)



Yeah, I paid attention to the way he stood in the trailer; he always seemed to have his back arched a bit. Not to mention, he walked with his front legs bent, but not the back, so I suppose his butt would be up in the air.

Yeah... I guess the legs are a bit off. Probably made the ones on the left side too short. I edited it, though. Does it look better now?

Offline Heimdall

Re: Dragon AV- Help?
«Reply #3: November 07, 2009, 07:20:02 PM»
Yup. It's not always an issue of just lengthening the leg, though--it may be the angle the legs are at. Try checking the isometric-ness of the shoulders, hips, and knees/ankles.

Offline Katto

Re: Dragon AV- Help?
«Reply #4: November 07, 2009, 07:25:29 PM»
Yup. It's not always an issue of just lengthening the leg, though--it may be the angle the legs are at. Try checking the isometric-ness of the shoulders, hips, and knees/ankles.

Yeah. It's works out ok by editing the size/length of the legs. It actually happened to be that's what I had to fix.

Offline Katto

Re: AV Help?
«Reply #5: May 08, 2010, 11:29:11 AM»
New av I need help on. Up you go.

Offline ding

Re: AV Help?
«Reply #6: May 13, 2010, 10:26:54 AM»
how do you mean, "wonky"?

the avatar looks like it's leaning to the left in both poses. the leg on (our) right is longer and outstretched, for some reason.



i changed more than the legs here, didnt bother with the sitting poses though.

Offline Katto

Re: AV Help?
«Reply #7: May 17, 2010, 08:47:15 PM»
how do you mean, "wonky"?

the avatar looks like it's leaning to the left in both poses. the leg on (our) right is longer and outstretched, for some reason.



i changed more than the legs here, didnt bother with the sitting poses though.

I meant "wonky" as the back poses look off compared to the front poses.

Looking at your edit, I definately think the front legs on the back poses should be straighter, as you made them. However, I feel the edit you did on the width of the legs dosn't look right. Frankly, it looks like that dog had one too many table scraps.

I'm not concerned with the front poses; they look great to me just the way they are. But when walking, the back poses... I suppose look to be on a slant. I don't think the rear legs are the problem, but I'll definately see what I can do about the front.

Offline Rex T-Rex

Re: AV Help?
«Reply #8: May 18, 2010, 04:25:01 PM»
I'd have to disagree as I own a German Shepherd Dog and the width you had the front legs at originally made it look as if it was bow-legged. Also keep in mind that not all GSD have dramatic back slants. Mine is a purebred, German build, and his back is straight. The slanting is over exaggerated when the dog is standing at shows because for some reason people believe the extreme slanted back make it of better show quality, it really only guarantees the dog will have hip dysplasia.

Relaxed standing position of an average GSD http://www.kenyapolice.go.ke/images/GERMAN_SHEPHERD_DOG.jpg

My GSD is a large male with a very large powerful chest, but in no way do his legs come out that far from his body. Neither just about any other if not all normal GSDs that you find.
http://images.dogsblog.com/shared/c718e4908af9a9e1ec89fc0e9b25822f.JPG Notice how close the body the legs are when relaxed? That's the normal position, not wide spread.
http://www.total-german-shepherd.com/images/Rosewalking.jpg Here's one walking to show the natural movement of these dogs.  If you really want to make the back slant you ned to lower the hips when it walks and gently arch down the back. ding's edit is definitely a step in the right direction for a realistic GSD av. But if you really want I can actually go record my GSD walking around so you can see a live model (assuming you don't have one).
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Offline Katto

Re: AV Help?
«Reply #9: May 23, 2010, 02:51:38 PM»
I'd have to disagree as I own a German Shepherd Dog and the width you had the front legs at originally made it look as if it was bow-legged.

Ok. I worded that wrong. I didn't mean the width, really, of how far apart the legs were; I meant the back legs looked fat. To me, anyways.

I don't have a purebred German Shepherd; however, I do have a cross, which we assume to be a King/German Shepherd and Malamute cross. Her legs arn't nearly that thick, and the picture of the walking GSD looks odd to me, as it looks like he's kind of crawling like my dog does when we put her flea medication on her neck.

I didn't plan to show a prominant slant in the back; despite it looking good in shows, I don't think it's good for a healthy dog. Maybe I wanted to show a slight slant, but nothing really like I've seen in show dogs. I just used a few side refrences, and worked myself from there.

I don't intend for the av to be 100% realisitic; with me, that's just never going to happen, as I have a tendancy to make everything slightly cartoony. The wide-spread of the back legs probably goes back to my Ginga phase, as I drew, and still somewhat do, draw legs like that.

Offline Rex T-Rex

Re: AV Help?
«Reply #10: May 27, 2010, 11:15:20 PM»
I see what you mean by "fat back legs", but actually it's a more natural look. Your previous design has extremely skinny "tibia/fibula" region, which is unnatural for a dog, especially a GSD. But i can definitely see how that could be a result of drawing in Ginga style for a while.
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